walls are sweating help!

dindy

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ok...i have a corner of my basement behind a faulty wall...its completely sealed in the insed with black and white...because i am using a co2 tank this is important....the temps are in the nineties because of the co2 and the humidity is between 70-80 because they are in veg.....after i go in with lights being on for 24 the plastic is sweating water and there are puddles on the floor? isd this because of the high heat or because of the humidity...i cannot have this happeing because the fuse box in in the same room and it cant get wet!!!...if i lower the humidity to like 40 will this help at all...i do not have an exhaust because of the co2...i do however have a aircon with a built in dehumidifier...if i use this will it help???...i want planing on it until the summer cause its still cold here in canada....is this even the reason..the humidity??? i cant deal with water on the walls and the floor or the fuse box...help!
 
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underground1

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i dad the same problem. i just cut a 6x6 hole in the wall and stuck an exhaust fan in there, and the puddles were dried up in 6 hours. if you dont do this, your going to wind up having mold problems, or your just going to have to mop up your grow room everyday.
 

sinn0304

Active Member
I think its your humidity... it should stop if u can get it down below ~75%.. i'm not 100% sure, but i think you should have humidity between 40-60%, any higher and you'll end up with buds that are too moist and will mold quickly..
 

Little Tommy

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Hey Dindy - It is the humidity. You want to get a handle on that as it is not good for electronics. It can also invite problems with mould and mildew. If you lower the humidity with a dehumidifier to about 55%-65% it should solve your problem. If you are not going to have an exhaust and I understand that you are using CO2 you have to control that humidity. The temps will have to be adjusted as the dehumidifier throws off a little heat, but it will save you from some severe problems. I am also growing in the basement and have had to face the same challenges. I got it all sorted out and it is good to go. You just have to find what works best for you.
 

dindy

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so if i keep my portable aircon with a built in dehumidifier on...or have it come on intermittently throughout the day to keep humidity down this should solve both heat and humidity problems right?....the buds wont rot because im in veg as i stated above....and temps in the 90's is recomended when using co2 so im alright for that as well......the aircon also has an exhaust so i can exhaust that out and have it come on after the co2 sits for a bit or something....mold is not good and i already have a small problem with it upostairs because of a small leak in the roof...not fun!....i actually got a little too last grow on the cement walls...well ill try this one out...good thing ijust had an electrician here a few weeks back to give me more juice in the basement...ill post with some results tomorrow!
 

HappySack

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Walls sweating water. Next is the dreaded mold and mildew. Your using Co2, so you need a dehumidifier, and a controlled exhaust. When in veg the RH should be maintained 50%-60%, During the flower stage RH should be around 40%, lower wouldn't hurt.
 

9inch bigbud

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are you growing in a cold room? hot and cold = condensation. the heat from the lights are hiting the cold serfice and the codensation is running down the walls. what you need to do is insulate the walls then put your black/white over the insulation = problem solved 8-)

look at a window in the winter when you get up the window is wet but if you have doubble glazing then you do not get wet windows in the mornig because there is a vacum between the glass acting as insulation stoping the cold outside air contacting the warm air inside your house.
 

9inch bigbud

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unless the humidity is 100% in the room, the water on the walls is condensation not humidity. himidity needs to be 100% before it turns in to water.

Dew point and frost point

Associated with relative humidity is dew point (If the dew point is below freezing, it is referred to as the frost point). Dew point is the temperature at which water vapor saturates from an air mass into liquid or solid usually forming rain, snow, frost, or dew. Dew point normally occurs when a mass of air has a relative humidity of 100%. This happens in the atmosphere as a result of cooling through a number of different processes.


Condensation

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For Chemistry, see Condensation reaction.
For Physics, see Condensed matter physics.

Water vapor condenses into liquid after making contact with the surface of a cold bottle.



Condensation on a window during a rain shower.


Condensation is the change of the physical state of aggregation (or simply state) of matter from gaseous phase into liquid phase.[1] When the transition happens from the gaseous phase into the solid phase directly, bypassing the liquid phase the change is called deposition, which is the opposite of sublimation.
Condensation commonly occurs when a vapor is cooled to its dew point, but the dewpoint can also be reached through compression. The condensed vapor is called a condensate, the laboratory or the industrial equipment used for condensation is called a condenser.
The science of studying the thermodynamic properties of moist air and the interrelationships between these in order to analyze, and predict properties by changing in the conditions of moist air is called psychrometry. The interrelationship can be graphically represented, and prediction carried out graphically by the psychrometric chart Most people think the water is condensation, but condensation is only the process of change.
Water vapor that naturally condenses on cold surfaces into liquid water is called dew. Water vapor will only condense onto another surface when the temperature of that surface is cooler than the temperature of the water vapor. The water molecule brings a parcel of heat with it. In order to have condensed, the molecule tranfers its kinetic energy to the atmosphere. When water vapor condenses into liquid water, the hydrogen bonds form again and release latent heat, which increases the sensible heat and causes the air temperature to rise. Sensible heat is removed from the air and the temperature drops when evaporation is occurring and latent heat is converted to sensible heat and the temperature rises when condensation occurs.
 

dew-b

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ok...i have a corner of my basement behind a faulty wall...its completely sealed in the insed with black and white...because i am using a co2 tank this is important....the temps are in the nineties because of the co2 and the humidity is between 70-80 because they are in veg.....after i go in with lights being on for 24 the plastic is sweating water and there are puddles on the floor? isd this because of the high heat or because of the humidity...i cannot have this happeing because the fuse box in in the same room and it cant get wet!!!...if i lower the humidity to like 40 will this help at all...i do not have an exhaust because of the co2...i do however have a aircon with a built in dehumidifier...if i use this will it help???...i want planing on it until the summer cause its still cold here in canada....is this even the reason..the humidity??? i cant deal with water on the walls and the floor or the fuse box...help!
i bet the wall that is sweating is cold to the touch you r getting condention from the high humidty its like when you tak a cold can of beer out of the frig in the summer. you might try insalating that wall better from the cold maybe try putting up some stryofoam.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I have a roll around A/C unit I purchased because of hurricanes a few years ago. Bought it to keep the bedroom cool at night. It will help you both in temp lowering and dehumidifying. Just a thought. :peace:


out. :blsmoke:
 

HappySack

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basement , right? completely underground? basement walls touch the outside ground, ground is say 52 deg.
 

dindy

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basement , right? completely underground? basement walls touch the outside ground, ground is say 52 deg.
yeagh basement walls....they are cement...i dont have a way to insulate...its impossible...the room is up and running....what can i do to stop this now?...i noticw whn i do open the hatch to get in for a little while it does stop so i guess so fresh air would help big time.....ill try some sort of exhaust on a timer to turn on after the co2 has depleted and just before it fills the room again.......any other easy suggestions would help......if anyone elkse has had this problem and solved it please leave your input...it is greatly appreciated....i understand whats causing it...but i cannot insulate...so anything else that could work would be appreciated...thanks rollitup...happy tokin! :leaf:
 

9inch bigbud

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yeagh basement walls....they are cement...i dont have a way to insulate...its impossible...the room is up and running....what can i do to stop this now?...i noticw whn i do open the hatch to get in for a little while it does stop so i guess so fresh air would help big time.....ill try some sort of exhaust on a timer to turn on after the co2 has depleted and just before it fills the room again.......any other easy suggestions would help......if anyone elkse has had this problem and solved it please leave your input...it is greatly appreciated....i understand whats causing it...but i cannot insulate...so anything else that could work would be appreciated...thanks rollitup...happy tokin! :leaf:
if you cant insulate your only hope is lot of exraction wich makes the co2 not worth doing, you could use a good dehumidifier, but i think you will be fighting a loseing battle with the condensation without insulating
 

oddjob206

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i dont understand why you can insulate the walls. or at least the basement concrete walls. the styrofoam boards work great its not that hard... this guy did it haha

 

dindy

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he he thats a funny pic...i cant because im not ready to rip down my whole project if there might be some other way to prevent this....it has started to warm up lately where i am..its going into spring and summer so i assume it wont be so cold outside....and i did spend quite a bit on the air con- dehumidifier...if i rip everything down all my plants in the flood and drains probably wont make it...too hard to move them around without killing them....also all the time it took to seal the room with the black and white plastic....not to mention that it cost like almost 100 bucks to get the plastic.....hopefully ill be able to figuer this out!
 

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
mr friend hade the same prob. do you have any windows in your basement. if you do put a fan and bring in freash air,it willtake care of that mold. goodluck
 

DaGambler

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With CO2 you're trying to grow in a partially closed environment... this means that temperature, humidity, and air flow become all the more important.

Humidity should be 60 percent or less. Preferably 40 since you're having problems with water at the moment. (De-humidifier).

If you weren't using co2 i'd say ur temps are too high. i'd also be interested to see if higher temps actually -help- or just don't hurt as much w/greater co2 in the room. either way i'd try to get ur temps back down to at least 85 or less. (Air conditioning or air-cooled hoods.)

And hopefully you have Tons of airflow in the room (oscillating fans) otherwise all this is going to lead to mold/mildew etc. real fast.

They also have insulated 4' by 8' sheeting at Lowe's for about $12 each. Very easy to cut and place. And it comes with a very reflective silvery surface !! But if you get ur temp and humidity under control and you did a good job sealing the room w/that plastic, then you can prolly get by w/o insulating.
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