UVB Timing

ProdigalSun

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I run my lighting 24/7, moving the plants as needed to facilitate the dark periods. I just picked up some UVB 4' T-5s and heard that you aren't supposed to put the plants under 24/7 UV lighting. Is this true, is there a timing cycle that works best? Say, 15 minutes on, 15 minutes off perhaps? My main light is a 1,000w. HPS.
 

FranJan

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The late Kite High was probably the most informed person about UVB around here. I urge you to find his posts. I didn't agree with everything he said, but it's still good stuff.
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/497246-uva-uvb-real-deal-must-3.html#post8885228


Myself, I run 2 x 4 foot UVB T8 bulbs 2 hours a day for a mid day blast to try to mimic outside since, from what I've read, UV radiation is highest at midday. Does it make my smoke more potent? IDK but everyone seemed to like my stuff quite a bit so they're staying :). Check here too if you haven't.
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/497246-uva-uvb-real-deal-must.html
 

FranJan

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^^^ I think distance depends on the light. There should be some kind of instructions to tell you it's effective rate. Mine is about 10 inches, so I keep them close, but again I'm running T8s so I need to keep the bulbs damn close.
 

ProdigalSun

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I'll be using 4 of the Arcadia lights that Kite High recommended, he seems to really have a strong understanding of this material.

http://www.lightyourreptiles.com/ard3t546in54.html

They will be mounted on some sort of trellis to hold the two fixtures directly under the 1,000w HPS.

BTW, I found that if you mount the flouro at about a 60* angle relative to the HPS filament, it nearly kills any shadow left by the floros. My plants get moved twice a day, so I'm not too worried about the shading. the fixture is very minimal. I'd say that the benefit from the UVB HO bulbs will offset the shadow enough to make it worth being there.
 

Positivity

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I did a 6hr UVB cycle and a full 12hr cycle. Both were good and better than without but the full 12hr took it to another level. Kite high was right...same timer as the main light for best results.
 

stardustsailor

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If a constant/stable UVB light is used (not computer/controller dimmable ) ,my suggestion is
to start from first day of veg ,at ~ 0.5 Watt per 3'x3' leaf canopy area (adjust distance of light accordingly )

When in early flowering increase up to 1.5 W/ m^2 (for constant 12 hours illumination )
.During late flowering switch off UVB lights to avoid pre-mature decomposition of Δ9-THCA-C5 A into A CBNA-C5A .
Simply : Switch off uvb ,the last 4 weeks of flowering ,to avoid 'browning ' of trichomes and increase of Cannabinol ( CBN-C5 ) .

If a microcontroller / computer is used ,irradiance can be as high as 6 W / m^2 for 30-90 min.
 

stardustsailor

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UVB region : 280-320 nm
( UVA region: 320-400 nm )

DIRECT EFFECTS OF UV-B ON PLANTS

Studies have shown that plants exhibit a tremendousvariability in their sensitivity to UV-B radiation (Musil,1995; Musil et al.,

2002; Zuk-Golaszweska et al.,2003;Ryan et al., 1998). Responses that occur includechanges in leaf secondary chemistry (flavonoid accumu-lation), alterations in leaf anatomy and morphology,reductions in net carbon assimilation capacity (photosyn-thesis) and changes in biomass allocation and growth(Musil, 1996). The direct UV-B action on plants thatresults in changes in form or function of plants appears tooccur more often through altered gene activity rather thannon-specific damage to DNA (Britt, 1997). These includeboth mechanistic damage to the photosynthetic appara-tus and changes in growth and morphology which mayreduce light interception and competitiveness. Directeffects include radiation-induced changes in photosyn-thesis, cell division and other life processes of directimportance to growth and development such as altera-tions in plant hormones or nucleic acids. These effectsare observed after relatively short periods of irradiation,which could be hours or days (Bornman and Sundby-Emmanuelsson, 1995).

FLAVONOIDS BIOSYNTHESIS AND THEIR ROLE INPLANT DNA PROTECTION

Rapid protective response to the damaging effects of UVirradiation is paradigmatic of active defence mechanismsin plants. In many cases, protection is thought to derivefrom the induced accumulation of strongly UV-absorbingflavonoid compounds in the outer tissue layers, pre-ferentially in epidermal layers, which presumably protectsensitive targets from UV-damage (Schulze-Lefert et al.,989). Most higher plants accumulate UV-B absorbing pigments in their leaves particularly phenylpropanoids such as cinnamoyl esters, flavones, flavonols, andanthocyanins esterified with cinnamic acids after irradia-tion with UV-B (Wellmann, 1983). In addition to phenylpropanoids, other important products of the shikimic acidpathway such as furanocoumarins, and polyketides and terpenoids such as canabinoids, also accumulate under increased UV-B radiation. Several researchers havefound key enzymes in the biosynthetic pathways of thesecompounds to be specifically induced by UV-B irradiation(Schulze-Lefert et al., 1989; Stapleton, 1992; Middletonand Teramura, 1993; Kootstra, 1994).


(...)This increase in UV-B has been found to cause both photomorphogenic as well as genetic changes in plants. Photoreceptors acting through signal transduction pathways are responsible for sensing this ultraviolet radiation. Several components of the photosynthetic apparatus have been found to be affected by UV-B, with nuclear encoded genes being more sensitive to UV-B than chloroplast encoded genes. However, long-term effects of UV-Bradiation in plants are still not well understood, therefore,more research need to be carried out over longer timeperiods to provide definitive answers to questions such as cumulative effects of UV-B, effects of UV-B at ecosystem level, and interactions of elevated UV-B with other stress factors. Currently not enough is known about the reasons for the large UV-B response differences among cultivars observed by a number of researchers (Musil, 1994; Mpoloka, 2001; Chimphango etal.,2007). Ideally it is necessary to understand the gene-tic basis (heritability) of UV-tolerance and sensitivity.Once this is known, an estimate of the possibility of using conventional breeding practices to minimise the potential effects of UV-damage could be made. At present plant breeders have not yet considered UV-sensitivity as a selective factor.




http://www.academia.edu/227934/Effects_of_prolonged_UV-B_exposure_in_plants
 

Positivity

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Very detailed info sds.

For application amounts I think a UVB meter is the best bet. But in abscence of that the manufacturers output levels at distance should be well enough.

Rolled a doob the other day. My fingers were covered in resin. The nug stuck to my finger and wouldn't shake off. Took multiple whiffs of the herb...deliciously complicated smell and taste profile. Drove down a scenic road. Couldn't help but notice the grin on my face, and the giggles behind it. Sensed a feeling of a first stone with a euphoric high.

It wasn't all uv that brought the herb to that level. But I don't think it would have been possible without it. And it took more than six hours of UVB to get there.

i personally think UVB is good to the last drop. Or last second that is. Any losses were purely aesthetic from being a bit too close.
 

stardustsailor

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Well ,I not supposed to ommit this ,but ..
What the heck ...

Here you are ..
(Don't ask what,how,when,why ...)


Subject teste taken from same mother clones.Feeded by same tank .Same enviroment .

Control plants ,without any UVB irradiation.
Test plants ,with UVB irradiation ,computer controlled irradiance levels and illumination times.
UVB irradiance peak : 6 Watts/m^2 for 90 min .Sinusoidal and linear - daily light regime - increase/decrease tested.(averaged almost identical results )
Lamps used : 2x Phillips TL 100 W/01 SLV & 4x Phillips TL 40W/ 12RS SLV
tl 100W.JPG........................tl 40W.JPG

Cannabinoid Comparison :
( Averaged-Normalised )

Test Plants over Control Plants (fresh flower material /resin glands analysis w/w ):

(-)-Δ9-trans-Tetrahydrocannabinol
Tetrahydrocannabinol, THC : + 5.23 %

(-)-Δ9-trans-Tetrahydrocannabinolic Acid,
THCA : +8.78 %

Cannabinol
CBN: +1.45 %

Cannabidiol
CBD: +1.98%

Cannabigerol
CBG: +6.3%

Cannabivarin
CBV: +9.36%

Cannabichromene
CBC: +5.98%

Other terpenes :
(aroma-taste)

Alpha-pinene R: +8.3%
Alpha-pinene S:+9.6 %
Beta-pinene :+9.5%
Beta-Myrcene: +9.5%
Beta-ocimene :+14.98%
Limonene : +7.56 %
t-Caryophyllene : +6.78%
Bergotamene : +3.34 %
Humulene : -0.3 %
alpha farnesene : - 1.78 %
Bisabolene: +0.45%
Caryophyllene Oxide:+ 2.16%
Linalool : +6.46%
t-Nerolidol :-0.56 %
 

stardustsailor

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Very detailed info sds.

For application amounts I think a UVB meter is the best bet. But in abscence of that the manufacturers output levels at distance should be well enough.

Rolled a doob the other day. My fingers were covered in resin. The nug stuck to my finger and wouldn't shake off. Took multiple whiffs of the herb...deliciously complicated smell and taste profile. Drove down a scenic road. Couldn't help but notice the grin on my face, and the giggles behind it. Sensed a feeling of a first stone with a euphoric high.

It wasn't all uv that brought the herb to that level. But I don't think it would have been possible without it. And it took more than six hours of UVB to get there.

i personally think UVB is good to the last drop. Or last second that is. Any losses were purely aesthetic from being a bit too close.



we ( yes,I'm not the only one behind this research about LEDS ,light and plants ....and mj ,of course ! ....(That is rather personal,though ... )


We ,have serious indications that UVA / violet light ,can have similar positive effects ,withoutt all these side-effects of UVB...
Only thing is power ...For UVa is needed more irradiance to act at same levels like UVB does ....
But then UVA/VIOLET is rather photomorphogenic (these wls act like the blue ones ,regarding photomorphogenesis ...) ...
And here lies the problem with UVA/Violet ...
More power needed ,acts strongly like blue then ,Vegging is prolonged even during flowering ('fades out ' reaaaaalllyyyy slowwwww=long -skinny buds/'fox tailing' all over ),
plants assimilate more Nitrogen ,need more water ..
But UVA leds are cheaper ..Way cheaper than UVB ones ...

Yes ....
As long plants have evolved under UVB sun rays (at least for those which have ) ,then U?VB-UVa-Violet are more than welcome for certain plants ,including mj ( originating from being a wild weed ... )
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
I will tell you a small secret ...
One good "sign" of potency and/or increased terpenes is the increase anthocyanines ( dark red/purple colors ).
But not in every case . (DEEP RED leds do increase anthocyanines ,but has not been proven anything about potency and or aroma/taste =terpenes )

reds 1.jpgAnd yes ,deep reds 660 nm do prolong transition to flowering somewhat ...Depends strongly on plant genetics.



Blue 470 nm ,has enhancing effects on mj also ....
(It was suspected ,tested and confirmed ... )

blue 470.JPG


UVA are very promising ....

uv leds.jpg
 

Positivity

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Very nice..appreciate that.

thats a lot of pluses across the board. It would be nice to be able to achieve that through UVA but as you've noted it brings blue type growth along with it. I broke my 385nm led so I won't be able to try that this round..was doing some troubleshooting and the star didn't like being worked on so much. Thinking of ordering another but the quality on that particular star seemed a little low for the price.

havent noticed a delay in flowering at all from heavy 660. Could be my 730 flower trigger works well. Next run I'll leave it off and see if there's a delay..I'd kinda like to know the answer to that.

Any good UVA led suppliers?
 
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