TRUMP CONVICTED

DIY-HP-LED

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Foreshocks to the criminal cases being prosecuted by Jack Smith’s team.
I suspect he will be criminally prosecuted for this stuff in NY, but rules prevent both a criminal and civil trial at the same time, it is usually the criminal trial first, then the lawsuit. Trump broke NY and federal tax law and committed banking fraud and probably conspiracy too, indictments might drop for that shit in the near future too and drive the indictment count to over 100, a new record! :lol: Ding ding ding you win free room and board for life!
 

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I suspect he will be criminally prosecuted for this stuff in NY, but rules prevent both a criminal and civil trial at the same time, it is usually the criminal trial first, then the lawsuit. Trump broke NY and federal tax law and committed banking fraud and probably conspiracy too, indictments might drop for that shit in the near future too and drive the indictment count to over 100, a new record! :lol: Ding ding ding you win free room and board for life!
Which rules are you referring to?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Which rules are you referring to?
I heard the lawyers taking about it on TV there are issues in NY with a both civil and criminal trials happening at the same time, one or the other. They haven't indicted Trump for obvious crimes yet and can use the civil trial stuff in the criminal case when the civil case is done. He obviously committed criminal tax and banking fraud in NY, conspiracy too. The civil case should be done when Engoron brings down the hammer in 5 or 6 days and I believe the criminal one can go forward while Trump appeals the civil case, all the evidence has been heard in that one and a judgement rendered.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Lawrence: Trump doesn’t know it, but he agrees with Shakespeare

MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell analyzes the latest developments in the criminal cases against Donald Trump, including the news that the disgraced former president is looking for new attorneys after being ordered to pay E. Jean Carroll $83.3 million.
 

printer

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I think it has to do with evidence gathered during the civil trial used in the criminal one while the case is ongoing, if I remember correctly, different standards of evidence and proof etc.
No, a person can not have two trials going on at the same time in the US, a defendant can not be in two places at once. The evidence in a civil trial can be used in a criminal one.
 

BudmanTX

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oops....idk where that loan came from

 

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Fogdog

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A little more context.

Well, alrighty then. So, I couldn't have my schadenfreude-filled chocolate treat yesterday because that weird ass note regarding an unaccounted for loan turned up.

That loan seems to be another tax fraud scheme perpetrated by Donald Trump. Loans forgiven in 2008 that would have triggered taxes, were turned into an accounting line in a failing office building's account and Trump was handed, in the form of a loan from said office building account, $48 M all freshly laundered and free from taxes. Then the loan was deemed never to have existed. The money wasn't real either, it was loan forgiveness, not a payment so I don't understand how it became $48M real dollars but pay no attention, nothing to see here, move along.

I can't help but wonder where that real money came from?

I don't claim to understand, because I don't see how anybody could do something like this and think their shenanigans could avoid detection. Then again, I'm not a narcissistic sociopath who thinks the rule of law doesn't apply to them.

And so, we now have a delay while the judge sifts through the new information in order to decide if it affects his forthcoming decision. It all makes perfect sense now. :confused:
 

cannabineer

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Well, alrighty then. So, I couldn't have my schadenfreude-filled chocolate treat yesterday because that weird ass note regarding an unaccounted for loan turned up.

That loan seems to be another tax fraud scheme perpetrated by Donald Trump. Loans forgiven in 2008 that would have triggered taxes, were turned into an accounting line in a failing office building's account and Trump was handed, in the form of a loan from said office building account, $48 M all freshly laundered and free from taxes. Then the loan was deemed never to have existed. The money wasn't real either, it was loan forgiveness, not a payment so I don't understand how it became $48M real dollars but pay no attention, nothing to see here, move along.

I can't help but wonder where that real money came from?

I don't claim to understand, because I don't see how anybody could do something like this and think their shenanigans could avoid detection. Then again, I'm not a narcissistic sociopath who thinks the rule of law doesn't apply to them.

And so, we now have a delay while the judge sifts through the new information in order to decide if it affects his forthcoming decision. It all makes perfect sense now. :confused:
Iirc he used it year after year. So from 2008 to ‘23 is $768 million, a rather serious fraud.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It will be remembered in DC legal history as the "Happy Time" by lawyers as they take Trump and his cronies to the cleaners in criminal and civil court over the next few years. It will ruin many including Trump, but he might be getting free room and board in federal housing again, one way or another.
 

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED

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Tantrums, weak self-control cut against Trump outside the MAGA bubble

Alex Wagner looks at how Donald Trump's own behavior, characterized by childish outbursts and angry fits, has hurt him in court and in any context that doesn't allow him to act like rules don't apply to him.
 
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