Total wilt over night.

Alright, so I went in today to find a plant had totally wilted, all others in the same system are doing fine... I'm kind of... at a loss. I'm going to go back in and check levels and everything, but wanted to throw up a post first.

I typically start with R/O water, Cal/Mag to 150PPM, then MaxiBloom to 1300PPM, Pro-TeKt to 5.8PH. At the moment there is half a mosquito dunk in the res, so topping off to 1400-1500PPM to compensate. Plants are under 420W Inda-Gro induction lighting, and temps rarely go above 85°F, or below 72°. The pictures are not amazing, but it's clear that Sure-to-Grow's claims of mould and algae resistance are BS, I never saw anything like this with hydroton, and I'm displeased at the non-wicking tech implemented... they're probably great for ebb and flow / flood and drain, but pretty ass for aero.

Hey manDont let your rockwood being green .I think u use hydroyour water is not clear so.... Put some coco on thaz

PPM 1400, PH 5.8, all the other plants look totally fine!

What ever it is looks to have hit the bottom first, those leaves are dry/dis colored, moving up things are not discolored, only crispy at the edges, and then just wilted. :/

u said yr in aero right? is it possible yr sprayers are clogged for that plant? because it looks thirsty

Definitely looks thirsty.....

I wish people would use proper grammar in forums, its hard to read some of these posts but its funny nonetheless

The algae wont harm your plants dont worry, if it does bother you just cover the base with panda film. Most hydro stores carry the square light blocking film in different sizes, its designed for the rock wool cubes but I use them on my hydroton pots and they work great.

That mold is not good. the plant doesn't look like its getting water.pull it out and use some other medium just for that plant and see if comes back to life.

apbx720 said:

u said yr in aero right? is it possible yr sprayers are clogged for that plant? because it looks thirsty

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I'm pretty sure that this is not one of the plants getting less water than I would like, and if a sprayer were clogged 1/3 of the plants would be dead - there are only three sprayers in the system. I'm pretty sure I've figured out why a couple on the end are getting less water, but I need to have the system empty to fix it...

ismokealotofpot said:

That mold is not good. the plant doesn't look like its getting water.pull it out and use some other medium just for that plant and see if comes back to life.

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I'm like 99% sure it will be totally dead in an hour when the lights come on, but if it's not... I have no idea how I would go about transferring it to another media... the roots have grown through this, and this media is like one giant cotton ball... sort of... >.> plus the net cup.

I hit them with an anti-fungal last night, but just the bases as they're too far into flower to hit the foliage (how is this mispronounced in EVERY grow video/ad? Seriously, foilage? Not a word... foh-lee-ahj).

Anyway, I guess we'll see how things look in about an hour... if it's toast (what I expect) I'm just going to pull it and replace it with one of the plants which isn't getting a bunch of water, or one of the shorter ones which isn't getting enough light... it'll get light from the other side and do better.

I have enough sure to grow for my next run... but I'm going to have to get everything dialed before then, otherwise I'm going back to hydroton. I should have about a week between these two finishing to play around in the empty one.

EDIT: Also, presuming this is mould and not just algae... any tips? The environment is not very friendly to mould as it is. RH is around 45%, and I've got a dehumidifier if it happens to spike ever, this media SHOULD stay dry on top as it does not wick, and it looks as though that is the case... I'm going to try to improve air flow tonight, but that's about all I can think of... :/

The only thing I can think of is that it's pulling air inadvertently in through the back room, where it's more moist and fairly good breeding ground... I guess I need to fill that door gap and bleach the crap out of everything. :/

Another plant looks to be wilting, the nutrient mix is the same in ratio, however it's been changed, and I added H2O2. This plan has totally white media with no algae or anything growing on it. It's also been the strongest looking up to this point.

pull up your rootz on those f@#$# plants before that funk spreads else where(it probably already has, and you got your self quite some work to do). if roots are tied together trim away around that plant- you need to take pictures and diagnose your root zone , start with the wilted plant.. you obviously got some kind of root issue. i can imagine how F@$##ed it looks.

GoblinFarmer said:

pull up your rootz on those f@#$# plants before that funk spreads else where(it probably already has, and you got your self quite some work to do). if roots are tied together trim away around that plant- you need to take pictures and diagnose your root zone , start with the wilted plant.. you obviously got some kind of root issue. i can imagine how F@$##ed it looks.

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I forgot to add the root shot to this thread, this is of the removed plant, but the roots look similar, though there are many more. Might this be the result of fungus gnats? I've seen a couple around and been dealing with them as well. Fucking CraigsList clones.If fungus gnats, I have mosquito dunks, but I used them before, and they were being used when the previous plant wilted... There is currently H2O2, which I'm pretty sure will kill the dunks, but if I wait a few days and remove that, I can apply them again... ugh.

EDIT: I'm going shopping tomorrow, and at least getting more sticky strips, anything else I should get?
EDIT2: Seriously, lots of work means nothing to me... what work? What do I need to do?

man those look toast man, and im sure the others are on their way there. considering you into flowering...not much you can do....hard to get roots to replace those toasted ones. You might have your self a failed run by this time. really inspect the other rootz and if you already on top of addressing the fungi then you done what you can do.

im pretty sure the fungi is out of control .... this is just me, at this time if its everywhere...i would pull and transplant into some other medium washing off the rootz with some fungicide and crossing my fingers. that whole aero unit is contaminated. unless you confident its not ass bad and you can check that mold.

ok you got a to-do list here man:

*get some fungus/rot/mold killer.
*use it
*check your water pumps make sure they arent on too hard, fungus is cuased (sometimes) by the roots not getting air.
*figure out a way to keep the roots out of the water, i used a screen net thing, that was between the lid and the bottom reservoir, put on there tightly enough that the roots were suspended in a hammock-like contraption, yes, they were wet, but no they werent swimming
*raise the temperature a little of the room/water. thats a quick way to deal with fungus/rot/mold
*cover the root that sticks out with anything, even foil, or preferably a piece of mylar, or plastic, just cut a circle, fold it, cut a little circle in the middle and put around the stem base, that will keep the light off the base of the plant, and off the rockwool (which can promote algae)
*work quick, they can live, but root rot is nasty and it kills quick.


roots should never be brown, they should be white, white white. not offwhite, not beige, not brown, but white. any color other than that is a problem

Ya bro bet they feel slime-a-fied, hope it doesn't spread.......

Goblin Farmer is right, once your roots get toasted in flower.... thats it. You need to quit wasting your time and focus on your next run.

Also, I wouldn't blame the clones. Blame that wack ass sure-to-grow, along with your own hydro inexperience. Chalk this one up as a lesson learned and drive on. Any more time spent on these is gonna lead you down the path to heartbreak.

How the heck to do get mold like that??????

nick17gar said:

*raise the temperature a little of the room/water. thats a quick way to deal with fungus/rot/mold

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Alrighty, I'm on top of that, and looking for a new fungicide (just ran out of this one), it looks like people seem happy with h2o2 + sm-90, so I'll probably pick that up today, worst case scenario, I have them for the future.

Green Revolution said:

Goblin Farmer is right, once your roots get toasted in flower.... thats it. You need to quit wasting your time and focus on your next run.

Also, I wouldn't blame the clones. Blame that wack ass sure-to-grow, along with your own hydro inexperience. Chalk this one up as a lesson learned and drive on. Any more time spent on these is gonna lead you down the path to heartbreak.

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Even if I were to pull up everything today, I wouldn't be able to get my hands on new clones for at least a week, on up to three at the top (found a new clone guy, clones are much nicer, and cheaper, though not as tall, and needs more of a lead time). I figure I might as well see this to the end, as it's only four more weeks... and while fighting it may be heart breaking, it'll be a better lesson than pulling things up now, yeah?

I'm going to go look up some more shit, but for now the plan is h2o2 and sm-90 - I heard good things about beneficials, but as I've already added the h2o2, I need to play the sterile game I think, as I won't be able to change the res again till tomorrow in order for the beneficials to live.

EDIT:I just remembered I have two large air pumps which are going totally unused... I'll pick up some air stones and add one to each res, I felt the spray would aerate the solution enough as it did in the aeroflo, but this doesn't spray with the same force, and it can't hurt, right? I have a couple open plugs in just the right place as well.

Not trying to come across as a dick, but anything at this point is just an exercise in futility. Those roots aren't going to grow back, your plant is too busy focusing on bud development. That much mold in your system will be practically impossible to subdue, its too advanced too late in the game.

Also take into consideration that those STG plugs look like sponges, in an aero system it seems like they would just drown roots even worse (encouraging further rot). I've never used them but it just makes sense to me. Not any time to dry out; Next time use hydroton as it will allow the water to trickle out immediately, not to mention it's way cheaper. Thats also why you have fungus gnats BTW, they love to live in those soggy areas.

I understand you feel obligated to see this through, but save yourself the electrical costs and spend that extra week making sure you have an ideal setup. Then start over the right way. If you absolutely insist on finishing this run, read this thread... it helped me when H2O2, a chiller, and insane amounts of air being pumped into the res didn't do jack. Now I use this to solve almost any root problem. For more manageable infections caught in the very early stages I skip the Physan 20, still works.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=55259