The state of pot in Washington State

leaffan

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Here's an interesting article...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/26/washington-marijuana-legal-scarce/16266573/

EATTLE – A little more than two months after Washington launched recreational marijuana sales, you'd be hard pressed to stumble upon any pot shops in the state's biggest city: Until this weekend, only one marijuana store was open in Seattle, and getting there required a trek through industrial developments far from downtown.

And when you reach the store, you might not find any pot on the shelves.

"We're not doing well because we don't have anything to sell," said James Lathrop, owner of Cannabis City in Seattle. "It's really an insane business."

Washington's tough approach to regulating marijuana growers and retailers means only 60 marijuana-store licenses have been granted, and it's unclear exactly how many of them have actually opened for business. Some marijuana store owners say the regulations and scarce supply of legal weed are making it hard to shepherd the industry away from the black market and toward paying taxes.


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Lathrop flies a flag outside his store to signal whether he has any of the coveted "bud" or marijuana flowers for sale. Last week, he was selling only pre-rolled joints and packages of "shake," which generally contains less of the intoxicating THC than the flowers. For sophisticated consumers, neither is an attractive option, especially at $45 for a 2-gram joint. In comparison, Colorado retail stores are selling high-quality marijuana flowers for as little as $10 a gram.

He also has no pot-infused foods, known as edibles, available. Edibles are popular with novice users and tourists staying in smoking-free hotel rooms. In Colorado, some stores report that 40% of their sales are coming in the form of pot-infused cookies, chocolates and sodas.

Like Colorado, Washington this year began allowing consumers to legally buy marijuana for fun. But the struggles in keeping shelves stocked highlight significant differences between the two states' approaches. Inside Cannabis City, Denver resident Kyle Johnson said this week he was surprised to see how little supply was available at the city's only store.

"I think Denver is a couple years ahead on the scene," he said. "You come in and they only have the one type. And the prices ... the price is a huge thing."


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But he said Washington is poised to tighten that system, which will ultimately push people into buying taxed-and-regulated recreational pot. In Colorado, the medical system is more closely regulated but still set up so that state residents can easily get a "red card" recommendation from their doctor and buy high-quality marijuana that's taxed at far lower levels.

A Colorado-commissioned study indicated that large amounts of medical marijuana are being diverted by buyers who acquire it cheaply using their red card, and then re-sell it on the black market, or just grow it themselves for illegal resale. Holmes said it's unclear Colorado will even be able to close that "gaping loophole."

"I had a store owner in Colorado tell me that only chumps and tourists go to the recreational side," Holmes said. "That's completely upsetting the Colorado market. I hope that Washington avoids all that. We have a better opportunity for a tighter system that meets the federal guidelines."


The label of this packet of marijuana offered for sale in Washington shows the different components of the product, including how much THC it contains.(Photo: Trevor Hughes/USA TODAY)


Back in Bellingham, Evich said he's not surprised Washington's marijuana industry has growing pains. Like Lathrop, he said he expects supply problems to ease by next year, especially as the first outdoor crops reach the market. He said state regulators have been tough but fair, and seem more interested in helping the new businesses comply with the regulations than in hitting them with fines. He said the industry, for its part, has taken great care to follow the new rules.

"The public image is changing, and fast," he said. "We're not trying to get rich on dollars. We're trying to get rich on clientele and trust."
 

VIANARCHRIS

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$45 for 2g?!!! So much for any 'cannabis tourism' business they were hoping to attract. Colorado is light years ahead. It makes me worry about what 'legalization' will look like here? I'm holding on to my ppl real tight!
 

kDude

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stupid monopoly crap is the reason.
it's because Washington is like our LP crap we're doing here; pick and choose and only allow some to supply. no home growing, and no entrepreneurs.

Colorado allowed small home cultivation. Washington didn't, and now wants to reduce medical growers numbers too.
straight up; Washington did not legalize marijuana in any way. i wish people would stop saying/believing that.
 

Skylor

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marijuana is more legal today then its been in any of our lifetimes....yeah the 1970's and maybe the 1960's were pretty cool--I wasn;t there for the 60's--but like in Michigan if you are MMP, you can have up to 2 1/2 oz on you for your personal meds....like even the cool cops I seen in the 1970's would have least took your weed from you and 2 oz would have gotten you arrested..anything over a 1/2 oz to 1 oz--after 1oz it was a felony and maybe still is for non MMP
 

Sandysandysandy

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Washington did not legalize marijuana in any way. i wish people would stop saying/believing that.
Their system is not good, but to say it's not legalization is stupid. You can't get busted for possession anymore, for one. And there are actually some very positive things about they way they are implementing it so that large scale producers don't take over, so in that sense, it's the exact opposite of the MMPR. And Washington stated they weren't intending to capture the market immediately,but only a fraction for the first few years. It's a brand new system, it's bound to have issues. Prices were very high in Colorado, too, and people were screaming bloody murder like you are now, and with time, prices have gone down. Get some perspective
 

leaffan

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Washington State is all about how much tax money can the State generate.
Legalization is a very ambiguous word.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Their system is not good, but to say it's not legalization is stupid. You can't get busted for possession anymore, for one. And there are actually some very positive things about they way they are implementing it so that large scale producers don't take over, so in that sense, it's the exact opposite of the MMPR. And Washington stated they weren't intending to capture the market immediately,but only a fraction for the first few years. It's a brand new system, it's bound to have issues. Prices were very high in Colorado, too, and people were screaming bloody murder like you are now, and with time, prices have gone down. Get some perspective
Yeah, I saw $500 oz's in Colorado...now 1/2 that. But it's still more than the bm rate. The big difference was allowing home grows, Colorado allows 6 (i believe) plants for personal, Washington doesn't. The price drop came as people's crops started to get harvested. Simple supply and demand.
 

kDude

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Their system is not good, but to say it's not legalization is stupid. You can't get busted for possession anymore, for one. And there are actually some very positive things about they way they are implementing it so that large scale producers don't take over, so in that sense, it's the exact opposite of the MMPR. And Washington stated they weren't intending to capture the market immediately,but only a fraction for the first few years. It's a brand new system, it's bound to have issues. Prices were very high in Colorado, too, and people were screaming bloody murder like you are now, and with time, prices have gone down. Get some perspective
i'm sorry, but i disagree.
to call that legalization is stupid. and in the end would be a huge disservice for us.

IMO controlled and limited do not equate to legalized. they equate to just that; controlled and limited.
maybe could say decriminalized, but it's not that either; criminal to grow. criminal to carry more than set amount (an OZ i think?)

really, we need a new word, because the current ones we use do not fit by definition. (partial decriminalization seems to fit best IMO)

dunno about bloody murder. but yes, i'd like to get people to not accept moves like this as legalization.

i guess the split of supply and grower is both good and bad. can't have a huge company do it all.. but on the flip side, no small entrepreneurial ones coming up either (where IMO the best medicine comes from)
 

Skylor

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Its still a huge step in the right direction, we went from totally illegal 20 years ago to 100% legal. In a few states MM isn't very hard to get if the person really can benefit from it and in 2 states ALL adults can legally buy weed and if their job allows it, they can use weed off working hours....thats is huge compared to how things used to be. Prices should come down once the supply catches up with the demand.

Of course some states will regulated it better then others, lets wait until like 20 states have legal weed (I think it might happen in the next 20 years)..we might have 5 states with legal weed come next year, who knows maybe 20 states will happen in 10--15 years. 2016 is going to be a major year, the next president will be the deciding issue..Obama could had stop legal weed but he did not, he let the states do as they pleased, nobody thought Federal law would be ignored and legal weed sales would happen but they did and the world has not crashed
 
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