thai?

Im lookin for a great thai strain to run outdoors this summer.im in central cali where temps reach 100+ in the summer easily.i will be growing in a greenhouse so im not worried on how long the finish is because i do have other strains currently.i just remember that chocolat thai use to be sum bomb ass treez.so i thought id try growing sum thai.looked at seed descriptions all night and i cant seem to make a decision.i kno it must be able to take 100+ heat in mid summer.thks

Seedsman sells Mama Thai
World of seeds as a Thai

Both pure breeds

don't forget ace seeds' thais, and gage green if he has one too.

my preferred thai is still sativa seeds' version even if they're a sister company to nirvana and have less respect in the community. why? their version is true HIGHLAND thai! as far as i know, everyone else uses koh chang or meao thai. what's so special about highland thai? the AUTHENTIC tutti fruity (aka juicy fruit) flavor that's the base for blueberry and all of the fruity pheno hazes. koh chang and meao have different flavors. which is the trippiest? i don't know, but that tutti fruity is just too freakin' cool! it totally reminds me of oversized rainbow lollypops from childhood!

full moon is a fussy bitch to grow though, especially indoors! it takes forever to even sex demanding at least 2 gallons to do that and bitching about it the whole time so plan ahead to give it at least 5 gallons, or even better, 10 gallons outdoors along with a 50:50 dice roll on sex, and don't be surprised if it turns hermie on you like mine eventually did and got cut down for when i'd had enough of it indoors. that's what real highland thai does. full moon is not a watered down hubrid, and the 2-3 thai crosses i've tried so far have been disappointing generic hazes at best that don't live up to thai's legendary trippiness. if i could do an outdoor grow, i'd go right back to full moon so i could see what it's REALLY like and put up with it's fussy diva nature a little better. a member here confirmed that at least that strain DOES have the trippiness i never experienced when i had to cut it down for spraying my garden and only got stony microbuds out of it.

it's a hybrid, but ace's golden tiger is in one member here's top 2 for sativas, so it can't be bad, and they have 1 or 2 pure thais too. i'd go for ace's oldtimer's haze though instead of thai because it's purple and has a blackberry liquor flavor that i'd like to marry to grapes for a purple grape haze, but that's just a flavor preference.

for thais though, tutti fruity highland would always be my preference, unless i got the chance to try all three lines and found one is really trippier than the other 2, but tutti fruity? i bet that's what little richard was really singing about! a whomp bomp a loo bomp a lomp bom boom!

Pick up some Tom Hill's Haze (I'd say 6 packs) and search for the "acid pheno" IMO.

i've heard of tom hill's haze a couple times... so that one is really legit? as far as i knew, nevilles was the least diluted, but a couple breeders also use a JTD haze that's supposed to be for real too. it's not easy getting lowdown on sativa dominants in general , much less specific haze lowdowns, not to mention a lot of the stuff with haze in it's name has nothing to do with real haze

It's what I'd buy if I were looking for the original Haze based on the fairly extensive research I've done. The pictures don't hurt either. Frost monster haze? Yes please.

duly noted. i'll have to look it up and bookmark it. i've really been planning to bypass hazes altogether and try and find the best landrace gear, and was looking to give dirt cheap mekong haze (not really a haze, but a 2x cambodian a try in the future, but i have high hopes (pun intended) for my holy smokes malawi gold that's pretty quick for an alleged pure sativa and at the very least, way more co-operative than full moon. that, and the lemony flavor is a natural match for lemony jacks and lemon skunk for making a new line "haze".

it's a shame so few are growing "the good stuff" so we'd have much better info on the best and comparisons. i'm mostly sticking with hybrids for now just to get some headstash, but hope to use a malawi male to knock a bunch of stuff up with as well as BX it.

i'm sure high quality seeds' haze x skunk isn't as trippy as real haze is which i'd expect to be as trippy as columbian gold (THAT'S another land race i really want to try by gage green), but it has a decent amount of psychoactivity, but is REALLY potent, and for such potency, actually pretty smooth smoking, and unlike even columbian gold, it's long lasting buzz eventually builds up in your system so you have a mild permabuzz, and even after a month, still isn't stony! i'd have to take a week or two off on gold to get my tolerance back down, but just kept blazing haze skunk until it was all gone and i was sad. not shabby for a 12 week strain at least, and i loved the way it made a bud every inch and a half or so. it might yield a lot in a SCROG. it literally saved my life by getting me off the nightly rot gut and morning choke on burp puke routine as well as helped me lose 10+ pounds in a month by simply ignoring hunger pangs and staying pre-occupied. it's not the tastiest strain (cigar wrapper with hints of ashtray *blech*) but the strain gets the job done. i'm hoping i can make something potentially trippier or at the very least better tasting using something other than skunk #1 as an anchor. lemon skunk for example spanks Sk1 and jack's cleaner 2 takes a dump on it afterwards with very respectable trippiness, if some stone in the trade off.

hmmmm according to seed finder, only 5% or 1 in 20 of tom hill's hazes has that "electric pheno". hazes are about the last strain you want to go on a pheno hunt for, especially indoors. not finding where his beans are sold yet so far either. he's not at attitude or hemp depot.

will look tom hill's haze up. if i ever did get one besides the old timer's one more for it's color and flavor combo, i'd want it to be the best available because these days, haze just ain't what it used to be according to the real old timers (read 1970s)

in trying to find info on the tom hill haze, it's his own selection from positronics' pure haze that apparently is back on the market from the original parents under a new name according to someone in another forum possibly making that version just a little bit better, though tom could have improved on the original through his own selection too. my instinct would be to go for the original though.

Haze is a four-way hybrid of some of the finest narrow-leaf tropicals that the world has ever known (Mexico, Colombia, S. India, Thailand), so the legend goes. A long flowering plant that gives wispy yields of the highest quality. This line is out of Sam Skunkmans stock by way of Positronics seeds ("Original Haze") circa mid 1990's. It does not breed true for its intoxicating properties, however the best examples (approx 5%) are electrifyingly cerebral. For decades, words have utterly failed to fully capture the intensity of effect that a good example of Haze can give - it is absolutely in a league of its own and must be experienced. Indoor flowering 14 to 16 weeks

Type: Mostly Sativa
Flowering: 14-16 weeks

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from:
http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Haze/Tom_Hill/

ok, he's at gypsy. man, i haven't ordered from them in years after i got sick and tired of having to create a bogus email address i don't need for every order after moving and their old system absolutely refused to let me update my mailing address and even talking directly to them couldn't fix the problem. it's just too much of a pain to have to jump through an extra 20 minutes or more of hoops just to place an order, but i see they've totally re-done their site. i'll have to go do some window shopping at least for the stuff they have that attitude doesn't. gypsy isn't on my shit list like doc is.

THH's haze is from old haze genetics and it's open pollination. There was no selection done, just genetic preservation. Haze doesn't breed true for most traits, especially desirable ones due to it's heterozygous nature. So it's difficult to suggest that you do any selection at all unless you can grow gigantic numbers of plants and are attempting to isolate each half of the trait you're looking for - good fucking luck.

All Haze lines are going to require hunting, at least pure ones. If they've been inbred chances are they are going to lack other desirable qualities. Nevil wrote extensively about how it was impossible to inbreed without creating a nasty cat piss odor. Hence Neville's Haze contains some NL to avoid this while attempting to retain the other great qualities (by most accounts, it was a success).

I'd go with Tom's based on the smoke reports I've read. It's the one one I've seen people confirm they have found the "acid" pheno that puts veteran tokers on their ass after one hit (from a joint, not a bong).

Option #2 would be Neville's but it's not pure. I actually have 2 packs of Tom's incoming with plans to order 4 more. They are on TheSeedDepot and also Gypsy as you found. I've heard of people growing Ace's old Haze and being somewhat disappointed. If Positronics still has the old genetics - great - but they only sell fem seeds as far as I know which means there's a 0% chance you are getting the full Haze line (no male side). I'd love to hear what this re release is named though.