Systems besides cool tube

Ralphie

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What is another way to properly cool a small grow area with 1000 watts.. 600/400 watt bulbs

from the research ive done on cool tube, it seems that i need to get the air from outside and send the air outside, which isnt possible due to the position of the room

What other possibilities do i have? There are no windows and no way to duct in or out??

And i'd like to pump co2 into growtent as well

Anyt houghts?

I need to figure out a way to vent this thing and keep it cool without ducting out of my room.. ill buy whatever type of reflector/hood/ducting/fans/air conditioners neccessary
 
Buy a LED system and no heat issues. You will need a 300w to replace a 1000w. Check out bcledlights dot com. If you want more generic info on LEDs and research let me know. I have just made the decision to drop 1800.00$ (Retail is 2800.00$) on a 600w and 4 100w inferred. Will do 4.5 x 8

Peace
 
Well, that was the original plan.. but so many mixed reviews..

My new plan is to get a 600 watt mh/hps and a 300 watt LED combined

So, basically i need to cool the 600 watt mh/hps


I see these "coolstar" systems.. that claim to need no ventilation if thats the case im in the money. I'll get an umbrella reflector.. Plus the led.. ill have some pretty intense coverage.. however.. still not sure..

no grow has ever made me so crazy
 
Most of what I have read and seen has put me off for the last 2 years but when you get right down to it, people who purchase good LED's have been happy with them, people who got cheep ones were pissed off. You get what you pay for. There is lots of science research on LED's and they do work. The people selling them are catching on and making some good LED's. Most nay Sayers have never grown with them anyhow. I beleive in science not FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) by the way this is not a good thing for hydro shops, no vent fans, no cool tubes, no ballast to replace, no bulbs, = way less money to be made.

LED manufactures who are players want you and me to be successful = BIG $$$ and new Market
Some cheap manufactures who don't give a shit make cheep LEDS and sell them and that's what you get for 100$, the heat sinks are cheep and so is the lens. Crap

You buy a led and it's good for 10 years.

IMHO

Peace
 
I have done a grow with 3 90watt LED UFOs and I was so terribly disappointed with the results. I now use my trusty 400w HPS and couldn't be happier. That's my experience and all lights and situations are different as we all know. You cool the room exactly as you would with a cool tube except the ducting isn't connected to the light. Not too complicated.
 
I don't have as much experience as a lot of people here, but I'm going to give my opinion none the less. LED lights are cool in theory, but the light lacks the intensity of HID lighting. The technology is still evolving, maybe one day they will be a viable option. But today you pay way more cash for a lot less lumen. If you are able to run HID lighting, you should. If not I suppose LEDs are the next best thing (over CFL), but it's a distant second IMO.

But if you're using co2 why can't you still use air-cooled reflectors, or cool tubes if those are you thing (which they are not mine... Can someone tell me why use a cooltube over an air-cooled reflector? They seem inefficient for horizontal lighting. Vertical lighting would make sense. Anyways continuing on. ) Even if 3 walls are unusable, there must be one wall that is. Unless your gentic code has mutated and you can now walk through walls, there has to be a door or something, right? I am really stoned, so I painted a visual aid.

fmpgrt.png

Blue: Inaccessible Wall
White: Accessible Wall or Door
Purple: Door
Yellow: Lights
Red: Duct
Brown: Fan

If you have no wall on that side that you can put holes in, put them in the door. If you're pumping co2 into the room, all the air is doing is cooling off your lights. It doesn't matter if the intake is taking in stale air. Would something like this be feasible for you? I may be wrong, but I don't think you can use high wattage HID lighting and not have some kind of ventilation. At least I've never seen it done, the lights give off too much heat. If your grow room is enclosed I will imagine just that one 600 watt MH/HPS will be a problem with no ventilation at all. Coolstar is just a ballast brand right right? Well it's true some ballasts do give off heat, the vast majority of the heat comes from the bulb. Coolstar ballasts won't effect the temp of the bulb, the ballast just may stay cooler. My advice would be if there is no where you can put two 6" holes even if they are side by side (like in a door you come in from), maybe you should find another place to grow.
 
SysKonfig, you don't want to put that significant a bend in your ducting. Really brings down the air flow. Of course if you don't have any choice ...
 
Lumen's has nothing to do with measuring LEDs. You use PAR and your way off on where the technology is today.


LED lights require new thinking about the way we measure light for use by plants. The typical rating most growers are familiar with is the “lumen.” The definition of the lumen is the total light produced within the range of the human visual response. It tells us nothing about the distribution of that light energy over the spectrum, and most importantly, it doesn’t tell us how much is useful for plants.


The problem with lumens is especially pronounced when measuring light at the far ends of the human visual response curve. Consider three lamps—red, green and blue—each emitting the same number of watts of optical energy. The red and blue lamps would have much lower lumen ratings compared to the green lamp, simply because the human visual response is very low at red and blue, and highest at green. That’s why a high lumen rating does not necessarily make a lamp better suited to growing plants.


Similarly, light meters that measure in “lux” tell us very little about a lamp’s plant-growing power. The light sensors in lux meters have their own spectral response curves which may over- or under-measure light at various colors. This is why lux meters usually have different settings for “sunlight,” “fluorescent” and “incandescent” lamps. Again, because lux meters are meant for measuring the amount of light usable by humans, they don’t tell us anything about how plants will respond.

Plant biologists define light in the 400nm to 700nm spectral region as “photosynthetically available radiation,” or PAR. The unit for measuring PAR, micro-mols per second (μmol/s), indicates how many photons in this spectral range fall on the plant each second. Inexpensive PAR meters use sensors that respond over the entire 400-700nm spectrum, and have their own sensitivity curves that require different calibration for sunlight, fluorescent and HID lighting. I guess you missed that class in high school.


All these systems are too broadly responsive to measure an LED’s narrow emission spectrum. They make HID light seem brighter by over-measuring yellow-green light, and make LED light seem dimmer by under-measuring red and blue light.

To properly measure the amount of energy present for photosynthesis we must use a spectroradiometer. This instrument measures energy in watts at each specific wavelength over a range of wavelengths. A spectroradiometer can provide a direct comparison of each lamp’s ability to produce light that plants can use for photosynthesis. Spectroradiometers are expensive instruments, not usually found outside laboratories. (A more common instrument called a spectrometer can show relative light output over a spectral range, but does not measure energy in watts.)


Manufacturers should publish spectroradiometric data showing the energy per wavelength produced by their lamps. This data will allow growers to accurately compare different lighting technologies—whether HPS vs. LED or different LED horticultural lights—and know how much usable light their plants will receive from each system.
 
LED has no penetration however, lower branches will suffer. This is a sheer symptom of low intensity. I figure the only way to match a HPS or MH bulb would be watt for watt. 400w LED = 400w HPS imo.
 
woodsmaneh! I don't know if you are trying to claim LED works as well as HID lighting or you are just calling me out on semantics... One way your are very wrong, the other you are just a douche. Neither prognosis looks good friend. I don't really care what you call it, lux, or par, shit call it rays if you're so inclined, but LED lighting lacks the light intensity of HID lighting. I have a friend who uses LED for his closet grow, and like headworm said there is no penetration at all. If you were to take the money for 2 LED lights and buy 1MH and 1HPS of equal value, you would get better results. LED lights are overpriced, and until they are able to create more intense light are not nearly an equal of HID lighting. Also they make blue MH bulbs and red HPS bulbs for a fraction more in price. These bulbs create more usable light that standard bulbs.

Plant biologists define light in the 400nm to 700nm spectral region as “photosynthetically available radiation,” or PAR. The unit for measuring PAR, micro-mols per second (μmol/s), indicates how many photons in this spectral range fall on the plant each second. Inexpensive PAR meters use sensors that respond over the entire 400-700nm spectrum, and have their own sensitivity curves that require different calibration for sunlight, fluorescent and HID lighting. I guess you missed that class in high school.
I must know, what high school did you go to?! I am not fresh out of high school like you, so sometimes my memory is a bit fuzzy, but I know for a fact my high school didn't teach non-SI units of light measurement usually only reserved for agricultural engineers. You're high school must of been really advanced if they teach 200 and 300 level college courses, damn I wish I went to school there... It's been a few years since I abandoned my chemistry degree in pursuit of an MBA, so maybe theres been a big 'awakening' in the scientific community, I don't know. But last I checked lumen, lux, or candela were the SI measurements for light embraced by 99.9% of the scientific community. So it's not that I missed that day of high school, it's just you went to the best high school in the world.
 
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