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Ill probably be transplanting to 3 gal fabric pot in about 1 to 2 weeks. Then flip to flower 2 weeks after that. But right now I have a big fan leaves at the top section of the plant blocking the light to the bottom. I want to cut them off. Should I or just wait?
 

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ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ

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You will get two very different answers
Some die by the idea "if the plant makes it, its intended to be there"
Well this is indoors, and we train the plants severely.
Defoliating gives great benefits, esspecially along with LST
Some go as far as preforming a technique called "shwazzing" if you want to look it up.

Good luck
 
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drsaltzman

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If you're going to trim anything, top the plant, not just the fan leaves.
Eventually you'll likely be trimming the bottom stems anyway once you identify which aren't going to produce.
 

JSB99

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You will get two very different answers
Some die by the idea "if the plant makes it, its intended to be there"
Well this is indoors, and we train the plants severely.
Defoliating gives great benefits, esspecially along with LST
Some go as far as preforming a technique called "shwazzing" if you want to look it up.

Good luck
If you're growing outside where the intensity of the sun, who's photons have traveled over 93 million miles and are still more than powerful enough to not only reach the bottoms of the plants as equal to the tops, but also has enough energy that 95% of the light passes through the fans to reach the inner parts. In this case, there's no need to trim, and all you'd really be doing is damaging the plants.

However, if you're growing inside with even the most powerful lights, you're only going to penetrate the top 10" to 12", and maybe pass through a couple fans. In this case, you want to trim your plants so that the majority of growth is concentrated to the upper portion, and much less inside growth as you get towards the main stalk.

I have always trimmed with my RDWC, and get great results. As an experiment I let a grow go without any trimming, just to see if there are any benefits, and the results sucked! Some will say that leaves store energy the plant uses later. But, if you're bringing the nutrients right to the roots (hydro), and providing 18 hours of uninterrupted light, I believe there's much less of a need to store energy, so fans can be removed with little to no effect. In fact, I have never seen a delay in growth from trimming. Just the opposite. Within hours, and definitely overnight, my plants explode with growth!

I just did a major trim (5 gallon bucket full of cut fans from these four), and the next day they were much larger.

Before
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2 days later:
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JSB99

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Ill probably be transplanting to 3 gal fabric pot in about 1 to 2 weeks. Then flip to flower 2 weeks after that. But right now I have a big fan leaves at the top section of the plant blocking the light to the bottom. I want to cut them off. Should I or just wait?
And yes, trim those huge fans at the top blocking all the light to the little stuff underneath.
 

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ

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If you're growing outside where the intensity of the sun, who's photons have traveled over 93 million miles and are still more than powerful enough to not only reach the bottoms of the plants as equal to the tops, but also has enough energy that 95% of the light passes through the fans to reach the inner parts. In this case, there's no need to trim, and all you'd really be doing is damaging the plants.

However, if you're growing inside with even the most powerful lights, you're only going to penetrate the top 10" to 12", and maybe pass through a couple fans. In this case, you want to trim your plants so that the majority of growth is concentrated to the upper portion, and much less inside growth as you get towards the main stalk.

I have always trimmed with my RDWC, and get great results. As an experiment I let a grow go without any trimming, just to see if there are any benefits, and the results sucked! Some will say that leaves store energy the plant uses later. But, if you're bringing the nutrients right to the roots (hydro), and providing 18 hours of uninterrupted light, I believe there's much less of a need to store energy, so fans can be removed with little to no effect. In fact, I have never seen a delay in growth from trimming. Just the opposite. Within hours, and definitely overnight, my plants explode with growth!

I just did a major trim (5 gallon bucket full of cut fans from these four), and the next day they were much larger.

Before
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2 days later:
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Totally agree! And this is exactly what the growers need to.understand when moving from outdoors to indoors.
Here is my first attempt at "shwazzing"
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Here is 6 days later
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ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ

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NICE!!! Can't get a better example than that LOL!
Thanks! I think it would have been even better except I immediately switched to bloom nutes in my DWC! Should have ran full veg for atleast the first week so they are alittle light. Though throughout the week I've been slowly adding back up to 200 extra tds of base veg nutes and they are getting darker again.
 

JSB99

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Thanks! I think it would have been even better except I immediately switched to bloom nutes in my DWC! Should have ran full veg for atleast the first week so they are alittle light. Though throughout the week I've been slowly adding back up to 200 extra tds of base veg nutes and they are getting darker again.
I like how you have a fan underneath, blowing up. I do that too. I think circulating the air through the lower parts of the plants is often overlooked when concentrating so much on the upper parts. Its also a great way to force cooler air up through the canopy.
 

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ

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I like how you have a fan underneath, blowing up. I do that too. I think circulating the air through the lower parts of the plants is often overlooked when concentrating so much on the upper parts. Its also a great way to force cooler air up through the canopy.
I plan to have atleast two or three under there, plus my oscillating fan at the canopy, and then another clip fan at the top of the tent to blow down on my drivers
I also am using CO2 enrichment and it can tend to sink so the fan on the floor helps lift the co2 off the floor and to the canopy
 

JSB99

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I plan to have atleast two or three under there, plus my oscillating fan at the canopy, and then another clip fan at the top of the tent to blow down on my drivers
I also am using CO2 enrichment and it can tend to sink so the fan on the floor helps lift the co2 off the floor and to the canopy
Yep, co2's heavy :)
 
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