sharing guerilla location dilemma...

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cloudsarehigh

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Greetings fellow growers!

This is my frist time posting on this site after beeing a long time reader. Until now I have been able to finde all the information I needed just by browsing the forums. Very helpfull, thanks!

But this time I would really apreciate your thoughts on a specific dillema I am facing this season. I will try to be as brief as possible, so here goes...

I have been growing guerrila style for over a decade now. And as anybody that has grown this way knows, the most challenging task you face is finding a secure location, with good conditions for our beloved plants. Or a sweet spot, as i will be reffering to such a location.

So this winter I have been out in the willdernes scouting for such sweet spots. The walk abouts have been quite successful as I have been able to finde a few new garden locations, but... one of them is allready occupied and as luck would have it, it is the best one.

This location is very remote and hard to reach, on a steep southern facing slope coverd with thick thorn bushes. It is by no means a terrain any person would venture to without a very specific reason, such as myself. It has excellent sun exposure, excellent security and pretty decent soil aswell. The only thing it is lacking, is a source of water (other than the clouds) but there are ways around that.

So as I was crawling my way through this thorny hell and feeling pretty happy about it, I stumbled on a cleared patch that was clearly used for growing. The site is big for my standards, as my sites range anywhere from one to max. five plants per site. I could probably fit around 10-15 plants in there.

But I have no intet in using this growers site or stealing his crop. I want to grow my own and since this area is pretty large I was thinking of clearing my own little patch of land in the neighbourhood. But the gardens would be still pretty close together, 20 - 30 meters or so. And there is a good chance that my garden will not go unnoticed. Which is a fact I dislike alot, since beeing riped off is not a pleasent expirience (been there), and that is a very real prospect if your garden is discovered.

So I could just walk away, right... But I am very reluctant to do so, since places like this are hard to come by. And there is plenty of space in this sweet spot for the both of us. If this person is like minded our gardens could coexist without any problems, but that is something I do not know...

So my plan is to make my garden and plant my plants, discretley as allways, and hope that our paths never cross. I have no intrest in meeting this person, because I dont want anyone to know that I am a grower, since it is an illegal activity with severe consequences. And I have learned this lesson the hard way. A person I trusted, used it against me to get their way, and because I would not comply, the police came a knocking... Luckily I was prepared for that scenario. So I learned my lesson - never, never ever tell!

If I discovered that my garden was compromised, I would leve a note on this other persons spot, suggesting that we coexist pacfully, leaving each others plants be, and asking him to replay in the same manner, via note.

Since this is a kind of a pat position. I really do not see another sensible solution, unless I were to give this location up, which is not very likely. So either we both grow there without any greedy actions, or we both lose that particular sweet spot. I am really hoping that this grower is a reasonable person. Because, if he rips me off, he will have a short term benefit of some extra bud, but there is no way in hell he will ever again pull a succesfull grow on that particular location.

Off course, there is always a canche that this grower is a pretty-she... and we fall in love :mrgreen: O man, am I an optimist. But finding a like minded woman with a green passion would make my life complete... ah well, one can always dream.

So anyway, thats it. Sorry for the long post.

I would really appreciate any thoughts, sugestions, opinions, what would you do?... Or perhaps even similar experiences. Thanks!

And may your plants grow healthy and large in the oncoming season!
 
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Bullethighway

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How far does the hill run
east to west
Mile long if so surely be another spot there
dont enter same way he would enter go the extra mile
 
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cloudsarehigh

Member
Hi guys! Thank you for your input.

Bullethighway... The area is unfortunately nowhere near as large as that (a mile across) It is just a patch of thorn-bush covered land, aproximetly 50 by 50 meters or so, on a otherways tree-infested hill side, and the trees are not good for detering general hiking public, plus they provide way too much shade. So the furthest I could make my tiny garden would be around 30meters or so from the one that allready exists. But thats 30 meters through dense thorny bushes, where to get through without a machete you have to crawl and weasle your way around and under the skin ripping and stabing vegetation, its just sweet :mrgreen: And yes, I plan to locate and enter my site on a completly opposite side of this area.

Oh, on the side note, always and I mean always use eye protection goggles in areas similar to the one I described. Again, this is a lesson that I learned the hard way. Years back I very nearly lost an eye to a sharp pointy branch when moving through thick bushes. Luckily I poked myself in an eye lid and apart from swelling and pain there was no long term damage, but, it could have been much worse. And let me tell you, no amount of weed is worth lossing my eyesight. So from then on I always use eye protection when navigating such terrains.

And I wonder, when you guys say you wouldnt risk it, what exactly do you mean?

You wouldnt risk your crop getting stolen, or do you mean something else? Because if its the crop getting stolen, thats something I can live with. This first time I was thinking of keeping it real small. Just two plants, and see what happens. If I get ripped off, then Im planning on getting it back, with intrest, the next season, if there would be any plants there, ofcourse.

Now a thought, that this my be violent grower/s has crossed my minde, but I think the chanches for that are slim. I mean, the majority of us are pacefull people, right? I for one can not imagine seriously hurting someone over a few plants, stetting up fishing hooks, man traps, shotguns and what not. Thats just idiotic to me, not only because I dont enjoy hurting anyone for any reason, other than selfdefence (I wouldnt enjoy it, but I would do it), but because with such actions you are also inviting a host of serious trouble in to your life, and that just doesent make sense to me.

But I will fight fire with fire. Years back my crop got stolen. They have left nothing behind, not even a single leaf. I lost 1-2 pounds of bud on that particular occasion. And that didnt bother me as much as the fact that I wouldnt be able to grow there anymore, but, I kept a close eye on my abandoned spot anyway. And sure enough, two years down the road, someone has enlarged my old spot to nearly triple its original size with the numbers to match... and come the end of september I tok my scissors and a huge ass bag and took back what was mine, with a hell of an intrest, 6 pounds all in all. Didnt leave a single leaf behind. I fell bad about it only when i think that this wasnt the crop of a person that stole from me, but I like to think it was, and that they got what they deserved, it brings a huge smile on my face :twisted:

Otherwise I never steal nobodys bud (got enough of my own), but I do take a sample bud, just out of curiosity. I think thats fair enough. I wouldnt mind if somebody found my plants and was decent enough to just snip a single bud and leve me the rest. But lossing plants one way or another is just a fact of life when guerilla farming and thats why I keep many small gardens rather than one or a few large ones. so I have always a good chance of at least some fruits beeing left for me. I also keep my individual gardens small for other reasons... It is easier to finde a sweet spot for a few plants than it is for a few dozent, it is also more secure, and I dont think the police are gonna make an investigation for just a few plants, if they are found... So thats why I like to keep it small and spread it out.

Well thats it for now. Thanks for your replies... I think Im gonna go ahead with this side by side grow and see what happens... but your opinions are still wlecome, especially your thoughts on risks involved, other than losing the crop...
 
Mr.Marijuana420

Mr.Marijuana420

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No, lots of people, would just rip up your plants if they found them and were already growing their, not for your crop but because you compromise their safety, and want u out of the area, find a different spot
 
Mr.Marijuana420

Mr.Marijuana420

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cloudsarehigh said:
Hi guys! Thank you for your input.

Bullethighway... The area is unfortunately nowhere near as large as that (a mile across) It is just a patch of thorn-bush covered land, aproximetly 50 by 50 meters or so, on a otherways tree-infested hill side, and the trees are not good for detering general hiking public, plus they provide way too much shade. So the furthest I could make my tiny garden would be around 30meters or so from the one that allready exists. But thats 30 meters through dense thorny bushes, where to get through without a machete you have to crawl and weasle your way around and under the skin ripping and stabing vegetation, its just sweet :mrgreen: And yes, I plan to locate and enter my site on a completly opposite side of this area.

Oh, on the side note, always and I mean always use eye protection goggles in areas similar to the one I described. Again, this is a lesson that I learned the hard way. Years back I very nearly lost an eye to a sharp pointy branch when moving through thick bushes. Luckily I poked myself in an eye lid and apart from swelling and pain there was no long term damage, but, it could have been much worse. And let me tell you, no amount of weed is worth lossing my eyesight. So from then on I always use eye protection when navigating such terrains.

And I wonder, when you guys say you wouldnt risk it, what exactly do you mean?

You wouldnt risk your crop getting stolen, or do you mean something else? Because if its the crop getting stolen, thats something I can live with. This first time I was thinking of keeping it real small. Just two plants, and see what happens. If I get ripped off, then Im planning on getting it back, with intrest, the next season, if there would be any plants there, ofcourse.

Now a thought, that this my be violent grower/s has crossed my minde, but I think the chanches for that are slim. I mean, the majority of us are pacefull people, right? I for one can not imagine seriously hurting someone over a few plants, stetting up fishing hooks, man traps, shotguns and what not. Thats just idiotic to me, not only because I dont enjoy hurting anyone for any reason, other than selfdefence (I wouldnt enjoy it, but I would do it), but because with such actions you are also inviting a host of serious trouble in to your life, and that just doesent make sense to me.

But I will fight fire with fire. Years back my crop got stolen. They have left nothing behind, not even a single leaf. I lost 1-2 pounds of bud on that particular occasion. And that didnt bother me as much as the fact that I wouldnt be able to grow there anymore, but, I kept a close eye on my abandoned spot anyway. And sure enough, two years down the road, someone has enlarged my old spot to nearly triple its original size with the numbers to match... and come the end of september I tok my scissors and a huge ass bag and took back what was mine, with a hell of an intrest, 6 pounds all in all. Didnt leave a single leaf behind. I fell bad about it only when i think that this wasnt the crop of a person that stole from me, but I like to think it was, and that they got what they deserved, it brings a huge smile on my face :twisted:

Otherwise I never steal nobodys bud (got enough of my own), but I do take a sample bud, just out of curiosity. I think thats fair enough. I wouldnt mind if somebody found my plants and was decent enough to just snip a single bud and leve me the rest. But lossing plants one way or another is just a fact of life when guerilla farming and thats why I keep many small gardens rather than one or a few large ones. so I have always a good chance of at least some fruits beeing left for me. I also keep my individual gardens small for other reasons... It is easier to finde a sweet spot for a few plants than it is for a few dozent, it is also more secure, and I dont think the police are gonna make an investigation for just a few plants, if they are found... So thats why I like to keep it small and spread it out.

Well thats it for now. Thanks for your replies... I think Im gonna go ahead with this side by side grow and see what happens... but your opinions are still wlecome, especially your thoughts on risks involved, other than losing the crop...
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you really think the rippers would grow in an area the ripped years prior, I doubt rippers have enough persistence to make it through a full grow season, which is why theyre stealing crops.
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Problem with this scenario is, eventually there is a good chance of the 2 of you tending garden at the same time.
And it isn't going to be all that easy negotiating all those thorns w/o causing some noise.

I'd find another spot.:peace:
 
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Bullethighway

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Not far from where here i am a man was killed by a set shotgun
when you hit trip wire gun goes off been 15 years ago
most stupid thing i can imagine few pot plamts not worth anothers life
this man was scouting for a place to huntfor hunting season wasnt looking for the mans dope
sad
 
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cloudsarehigh

Member
Hi! Thanks for the replies... and I must admit Im feeling a bit discouraged because of them. The people have voted nay, obviously... but I asked for it, so...

I have allready cleard the site but at this point Im not to sure if Im gonna be planting there. But I sure am curious... and curiosity killed the cat... glad Im not one.

I really hoped some one would say, yeah man, go for it... so Im not even gonna ask for your opinion on another crazy idea Im pondering about.
As this year I have quite a few extra clones I was thinking of planting some in the back yard of the local police station... Dont think Im gonna have the nerve to do that, although it would be very amusing to see just how big they could get right under their noses.

Mr.Marijuana420, I dont think the rippers were growing there, I dont even think the rippers ripped me off. I personally havent heard of any professional rippers operating in my part of the world. And even if they were I dont think they would be just randomly navigating the great outdoors in serach of guerrila grows. Like I mentioned before, finding a sweet spot is the most difficult task you face when guerrila gardening, everything else is pretty much a walk in the park, at least the way I grow - plant and forget - till harvest time. I imagine the professional rippers gather some inteligence about grows and then ripp them off. There was no way anyone could finde out about my grow, as I have learned the lesson of keeping your mouth shut, and Folowing me is out of the cuestion as i would spot you well before anywhere near my grow, also tracks are not an issue because not only am I very carefull to not leave (nearly)any I visit my sites max. 5 times a season including planting and harvesting. And in 13 years of growing I have been ripped off only twice. The first time it was my fault as i was thinking with my dick and took a woman to the site, basically to show off... she never admited it, but... ah, well, youth is crazy and I have no regrets.

In my case I think this was just another person like me or you searching for a spot to grow and found my plants, the temptation was to great and they stole them. And as this was a very nice place to grow in, I figure its possible the thought that after a couple of years I forgot about it and wnet ahead with their gardening in that spot... Big mistake. But it is also possible it was someone else entirely, and in that case I do feel bad about it, but that obviously didnt stop me from taking the flowers. I chose to see it as taking what was mine with a two year intrest. Am I bad person for it... well, parts of me certinly are bad, others are good, so Im guessing Im just like the avarage joe.

But, be it as it may, anyone that is planting in a spot that has clearley been used for growing by someone else, can expect with even higher certentiy then ussualy that their plants are gonna go walk about. As I am, when considering, not growing in someone elses spot, but just nearby.

As for shotgun victim... people that do that for such reasons are just as diffrenet to me than alien life would be. I cant see the logic and reason behind such actions, so they must be deeds fueled by emotions of a deranged mind. Any way, never heared of such a case in my parts, but some years back a mushroom hunter was shot by a shotgun slug that was fired out of a home made device and set on a deer track by some pochers. Equaly idiotic, and scary, as I am a mushroom hunter myself and in general feel more at home in the woods than I do in the city.

Ok. Thanks for now. And If I go ahead with this side by side grow, Ill keep you posted.
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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If you need to ask a question like this, then likely too young to realize the ramifications. Why would you try to do a guerilla grow on top of someone else's site? No offense however old you are, but these questions do not sound that of someone who has been growing for 13 years.
 
crazykiwi420

crazykiwi420

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You seemed like an onto it guerilla grower but I wouldn't grow there unless you're looking for trouble.

You've got to seriously think about who this could be, he could be a highly connected criminal or a friendly stoner like us but do you really want to take the chance?.
Australia's a massive place, I'm sure there's lots of other remote areas with no people.

Ripping is a dangerous game mate, unless you seriously know how to look after yourself. Is marijuana really more important than your livelihood?
maybe set up a trial camera to see who's going in there?. Aussie has some serious criminals mate so I wouldn't do it.
 
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cloudsarehigh

Member
Hi, crazykiwi420!

Not sure how you got the impression that Im from Australia, or that Im planning on ripping anybody. Neither is true.

Im from a small country in central Europe with a population not even reaching a third of the population of a big city like New york, London and alike.
You are from New Zeland as I understand, beautiful nature you have there, only seen it on a screen, so I imagine it must be even more amazing in real life, wouldnt mind living there... good for you mate.

Although my country is quite beautifull aswell. The only criminals that give us grief here are the ones who run the country, billions of euros just keep sinking in the system withot anyone beeing held accountable... they just keep rising the taxes, with unemploymed reaching record levels the economical (or rather the moral) crisis is taking its tall. I hope the people get fed up soon... Its time for some serious changes here. On a side note, the Ukraine issue is really scarring me, Thats how world wars start, and another war is the last thing I want, Ive experienced one (not ww, not quite that old) and it sucks big time. Hope Im wrong, but I rellay have a bad feeling that Im gonna live to see the ww3 and that just pisses me off, since all I wanna do is grow, smoke and make love, bassicaly.

As for other criminal actvity, well I must say I feel fortunate to live in a country where you can walk the streets (or the parks, woods, country side, where ever) any time of the day or night without worrying about getting mugged, shot, stabed, raped, etc. wheather you are a man, woman, child or an eldery citizen. Its very safe here, no gangs, practically no crime related violence. The murder count is very low with majority of this kind of crimes happening during domestic desputes.
But we do have bicycle thievs, f... bastards took my MTB.

Organized crime exists here for sure but they deal more with the inport export stuff than with growing. No big growop busts here. Mostly the police haresses just those small time closet growers and labels them as some hardcore criminals who are producing illigal drugs in laboratories, thats what a potted plant under a light is called - a laboratory. So the police is my biggest worry... and still I wanna grow in their back yard. Guess I have some loose screws...

but any way, thanks for your input. Like I said, if Ill go ahead with this grow Ill post it on here, just two plants in a circle area cut in the bushes roughly 2m across.
The worst I enticipate is to loose the plants... perheps Im naive but with that said we all live in very different social settings, and where I come from the crimes from around the globe we see on TV are just scientfiction, so it could be that someone elses reality is just a hollywood film to me. And I sure am happy about that. Cheers.
 
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