Semilanceata??urgent help please !

thcist

thcist

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hello guys so..today i came across some shrooms,and i wanna know if they r psylocibe semilanceata,im in romania the wheather was claody and kinda rained in the past days high humidity in the air,but the shrooms were in my greenhouse, and the soil wich they were in was wet,the same shrooms i seen last autumn kinda in the same place,and found a few outside too.some of they r little and some are 2 times the size of my thumb...i know 4 sure that semilanceata appaers in europe romania too..but still kinda sceptic 130412-1416.jpg130412-1416(001).jpg130412-1416(002).jpg130412-1417.jpg130412-1417(001).jpg130412-1418.jpg130412-1421.jpg130412-1422.jpg130412-1422(001).jpg130412-1422(002).jpg130412-1427.jpg130412-1427(001).jpg130412-1428.jpg130412-1428(001).jpg130412-1430.jpg130412-1430(001).jpg130412-1430(002).jpg130412-1433.jpg130412-1434.jpg130412-1434(001).jpgabout these shrooms..some advice please :)
 
canndo

canndo

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<sigh> those are lbms, in order for anyone to even start to identify them you need to get a spore print BUT - different land races are ... different because of where they are and no one in his right mind would attempt to id a mushroom in another part of the world, from a picture, even if it does have your thumb in it. Find an expert on that sort of mushroom in your area - get a book.

Odds are if you eat them to find out, nothing bad will happen to you, but there ARE some lbms that can make you sick, make you sick in conjunction with something else you've eaten that day or make you dead.

If you do eat some, be sure you leave some whole ones in a package so that when the ambulence comes they will have a clue as to what it was you ate.


(that isn't all funny, everyone should do that with foraged mushrooms no matter how certain they are of the type)
 
kinddiesel

kinddiesel

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if any body tell you wrong because we need to see the bottom close up on our hands, to know for sure. I have an idea what they are but not telling you because I cant be 100 % certin, im not gona be responsible for some body getting killed good luck
 
canndo

canndo

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thcist said:
and this is the halucinatory substances area from the pot forum ;)
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There are a number of highly knowlegeable people here, some come expressly for this forum as a matter of fact, the support you are likely to get here will rival any at any other site. Although you might want to check the shroomery out with your question and pictures, they will likely tell you the same thing, not enough information to judge what they are. Paul Stamets puts out a book called psilocybin mushrooms of the world that is an adequate key to help - you might get that and any good keys pertaining to your region. Romaina has some wonderful foraging regions and world class mushrooms so I figure you should be able to get some decent books on the region. I like Romainians.
 
thcist

thcist

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i dont understand why u have to see my hands? maybe the botom of the shroom? and im planing to give a few shrooms to a chiken to test if they poison lol..im a crazy ass and i dont give a f*** lol :D
 
canndo

canndo

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kinddiesel said:
if any body tell you wrong because we need to see the bottom close up on our hands, to know for sure. I have an idea what they are but not telling you because I cant be 100 % certin, im not gona be responsible for some body getting killed good luck
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I feel sort of the same way, but the thing is region, I try to always remember , that there may be mushrooms you don't know that look like ones you do growing in a place you have not foraged.
 
thcist

thcist

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well my region is at country side about 25 KM from bucharest, my backyard is full of grass,full field of grass
 
canndo

canndo

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thcist said:
i dont understand why u have to see my hands? maybe the botom of the shroom? and im planing to give a few shrooms to a chiken to test if they poison lol..im a crazy ass and i dont give a f*** lol :D
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Ok, a part of identifying mushrooms has nothing to do with the way it looks - that is what so many who don't forage don't comprehend. A part of it is where they grow, on what sort of substrate (and it isn't always easy to tell, there could be a tiny bit of rotten wood beneith the soil but it looks like the mushroom is growing on soil. I once found a bunch of mushrooms that looked like they were growing on rotted straw but when I looked closely, they were growing from the skin of a dead dog benieth the straw.

Are they solitary or in clusters or in groups? (this one you may have answered in your pictures). What does the base of the mushroom look like, how is it attached to the mycelial matt under the substrate? how persistant is the veil, is there a pellicle and how persistant or attached is it, what is the pattern of the gills in the cap? are they attached to the stem? are some of them attached? as I said, what is the color of the spores? (you should always know that), does the mushroom "stain", or... if it is bruised, does it turn a particular color. What about smell? what does it smell like (if it does smell at all), what season did you pick it in? What is the stem like? is it woody? stiff or pliable?

You see, the identification starts long before you pick the mushroom and it just can't work with even the fine assortment of pictures you have there - especially with a non-descript mushroom like the one you have. It might be different with say an Amanita Muscaria - that i believe grows in your area, but yours as I say are lbms and so are much harder to id.
 
canndo

canndo

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thcist said:
well my region is at country side about 25 KM from bucharest, my backyard is full of grass,full field of grass
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not what I mean, when I say region I mean like as opposed to china or Africa.

A group of well versed foragers from southern Mexico wound up in San Diego discovering a stand of beautiful mushrooms that looked very much like one they prized in their homeland. But here there was another mushroom that looked very much like theirs at home, and this mushroom did not grow in their region so they had no way of knowing that what they thought was their precious one was actually a killer. This happens often when people come from mushroom foraging cultures and they go to new regions thinking that all mushrooms are the same in all places.
 
canndo

canndo

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thcist said:
i dont understand why u have to see my hands? maybe the botom of the shroom? and im planing to give a few shrooms to a chiken to test if they poison lol..im a crazy ass and i dont give a f*** lol :D
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Now I am far from certain with chickens but just because another animal survives or even likes eating a particular mushroom is no guarantee. Many claim that if deer eat a mushroom it is safe for them, that is not always the case, others, strangely, believe that if they find maggot or bug eaten mushrooms then those mushrooms (or the uneaten ones arcoss the way) must be safe to eat as well. They are both very wrong.
 
thcist

thcist

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the mushrooms starting to open i dont know how to express myself good enough ..like a flower that is closed it opens..the shrooms it starting to get flat a liitle bit and the underneath the shrooms are darkpurple and very clay like and wet is that a characteristic of semilanceata?
 
thcist

thcist

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and not all the shrooms are like the description above..just the few bigger ones....and i dont know if i made a mistake..but im a idiot and i eat just one little shroom..few mins ago
 
thcist

thcist

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canndo said:
Now I am far from certain with chickens but just because another animal survives or even likes eating a particular mushroom is no guarantee. Many claim that if deer eat a mushroom it is safe for them, that is not always the case, others, strangely, believe that if they find maggot or bug eaten mushrooms then those mushrooms (or the uneaten ones arcoss the way) must be safe to eat as well. They are both very wrong.
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and now im ok i didnt feel anithing from that shroom..lets say it is poisonous,do i have to eat a bunch to get intoxicated??
 
Mookjong

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canndo said:
Ok, a part of identifying mushrooms has nothing to do with the way it looks - that is what so many who don't forage don't comprehend. A part of it is where they grow, on what sort of substrate (and it isn't always easy to tell, there could be a tiny bit of rotten wood beneith the soil but it looks like the mushroom is growing on soil. I once found a bunch of mushrooms that looked like they were growing on rotted straw but when I looked closely, they were growing from the skin of a dead dog benieth the straw.

Are they solitary or in clusters or in groups? (this one you may have answered in your pictures). What does the base of the mushroom look like, how is it attached to the mycelial matt under the substrate? how persistant is the veil, is there a pellicle and how persistant or attached is it, what is the pattern of the gills in the cap? are they attached to the stem? are some of them attached? as I said, what is the color of the spores? (you should always know that), does the mushroom "stain", or... if it is bruised, does it turn a particular color. What about smell? what does it smell like (if it does smell at all), what season did you pick it in? What is the stem like? is it woody? stiff or pliable?

You see, the identification starts long before you pick the mushroom and it just can't work with even the fine assortment of pictures you have there - especially with a non-descript mushroom like the one you have. It might be different with say an Amanita Muscaria - that i believe grows in your area, but yours as I say are lbms and so are much harder to id.
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Good post!

I just wanted to share that I have tried some mushrooms when I was younger that bruised blue just like I was told they should and they didn't contain psilocybin. Fortunately they weren't poisonous.

I read in a thread on shroomery that someone semi reputable said that there isn't a poisonous mushroom that bruises blue AND has a blue-purple spore print. I still wouldn't think this would be enough info to rule out danger but I was just curious how you would approach this statement or if you had any evidence to disprove it.
 
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