Seedling - Skipped Leaf Set?

Hi All.

Noticed a seedling, popped cotyledon's around a week ago, appears larger than others, seeds were the result of a random wind pollination.

(know the female was a Big Bud strain - not sure which one, the father, appeared from over the fence, a distance of ~ 15m, as an indica. Short, wide indica type leaves, perhaps a little larger than the maple indica, compact bush of perhaps 4ft. lots of leaf growth when i looked but Im assuming it went male and pollinated my female)

Germinated four.

1 appears "stunted". With odd "twisted" leaves and odd amounts of serated "equality" through the 2nd set of leaves after cotyledons.
Appears only slightly behind the others, though new sets of leaves coming through seem fixed. - Not really an issue.

2 appear very similar to each other and number 4. broke the ground roughly within ~ 6hrs of each other. Both are working on 3rd set after cotyledons. Both look healthy.

1 appears to be in a small amount of vigor. Was 1st to germinate by around ~ 18 hrs. Largest leaves, nice node length after cotyledons, 1st spears and second, theoretical, 3 blade spears. Here is my question.

The others have grown normal, cotyledons, 1 spear, 3 spear now 5 spear.

The last one, has grown cotyledons, 1 spear and then 1 4 and 1 5 opposing.

Is it normal for a plant to skip a leaf set?
Would this be a sign of hybrid vigour or could it be a sign of unstable genetics.

I did have 7 females of the same seed batch grow last summer, 4 perhaps resembled an auto strain, 3 ft, dominant main cola, no side branching = low yielders (1/4 oz each). 2 resembled the big bud mother and grew around 6ft, nice side branching with minimal growth shoots and again = poor yielder (1 oz each). the last, was like the last 2, but had a large amount of nice growth shoots and this yielded highly = (5 oz) (all outdoors - none were even started indoors.)


Sorry if this has got a little random.

will post some pics the second win xp lets me!! stupid generic bluetooth dongle!
i apologise for the delay but ive been trying to fix this for months, but now I have proper inspiration.
i put my Q in the plant problems section, but it really isnt a problem if the plant is doing more than it should, just wondering if its normal...
pics soon

Here are some pics:
Pic 1, 2 and 3 are of the "stunted, twisted" one. If u need higher detail I will take another but can anyone see the single new 3 blade leaf emerging on one side, and the 2 new 5 blades, coming out in a V shape? (it has cotyledons, 2 1 spears and now appears as 3 3 blades and 2 5 blades growing together, I have had trifoliates in the past, usually have 3 cotyledons, but this has 2, then 2 single blades opposing, then 2 3's opposing, now another single 3 growing, and another 2 5's growing next to each other.) I have never seen anything with any similar grow using different strains or even same cross seeds ( had 5 females HEAVILY seeded, so now possess easy 5000-7500 of these seeds) Ive never even seen leaves that are meant to oppose, grow next to each other like a trifoliate. its growing like a bifoliate, but is showing weird phylotaxy.

Pic 4 is a top view of the one with 2nd set of leaves after cotyledons, growing as 4 and 5 opposing instead of 3 and 3 opposing.

Pic 5, is of the same plant as Pic 4. Perhaps needs more detail, shows, what i can only describe, as "pre-flowers"...two small 'pistil' likes growths emerging from every node, except cotyledons. can anyone explain these, as i havent seen them in any established strains, only this F2 hybrid (would that be correct, the result of two F1's = F2?)

Sorry about the delay in pics.

I guess Ive asked multiple questions, havent I?

The main question is for the larger one, in Pics 4 and 5, is it normal to skip a leaf set?

Next question would be referring to both plants in pics, would the genetics play a roll in why one is largest, two intermediate (no pics) and 1 runt (with the weird phylotaxy). Would that explain such different pheno's?

The next question would be regarding the runt. Would genetics explain the odd phylotaxy and phenotype, and the odd leaf growth pattern.

I do realise not to expect gold from a random cross, I have noticed some intermediacy between hybrid vigour and some runts, with a majority leaning towards regular and vigourous. and I do plan on selfing some of the specific pheno's. Partly to assure feminised seeds, but also to assure offspring are similar to the parent, and not intermediate by breeding the different pheno's of the same stock together. As I stated in a previous post, one of the last 7 was a high yielder, but they all smoked the same, with the only difference being a more green product, with light amber pistils and crystaly trich's everywhere, all over some large, yet fluffy buds from the big bud type plants. and a more gold tinge, with dark red pistils and dense nuggets from the auto look-a-likes.

Would I also be correct in stating the result of two F1's results in an F2?

Normal idk but I have seen this happen too! more fingers is better than just one. The curling just looks like when a leaf gets pushed aginst the stem and it kinda deforms from rubbing against stem?

You have a 4 leafer....Lucky???? I have a few too so I would say it is all good # of fingers isn't as important as health of plant!

Good luck.....even though you got a 4 leaf you won't need it! Keep em Green!

awesome. i was thinking it was lucky
genetics must play a roll, but it cant b a bad thing. the leaf curling i noticed happened only on 1, where the serated edges are, sort of pinched itself in, making a triangular type 'wedge' that i thought had been chomped on, its the one with the weird phylotaxy, so im guessing its just a mutant, i cant wait to show u the two leaves that have grown next to each other, looks bizarre, but in a good way.

FlashMonkey said:

awesome. i was thinking it was lucky
genetics must play a roll, but it cant b a bad thing. the leaf curling i noticed happened only on 1, where the serated edges are, sort of pinched itself in, making a triangular type 'wedge' that i thought had been chomped on, its the one with the weird phylotaxy, so im guessing its just a mutant, i cant wait to show u the two leaves that have grown next to each other, looks bizarre, but in a good way.

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Twin leaves....cool.

yeah! pic 3 shows it in reasonable quality. damm bluetooth is playing up so i cant post another pic. but ill put one up in a couple days time when i start a journal, and its grown some more, or more noticable growth.