Religious people are less intelligent than atheists!

loquacious

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Religious people are less intelligent than non-believers, according to a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades.
A team led by Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies. Even in extreme old age, intelligent people are less likely to believe, the researchers found - and the reasons why people with high IQs shun religion may not be as simple as previously thought.

Previous studies have tended to assume that intelligent people simply “know better”, the researchers write - but the reasons may be more complex.
For instance, intelligent people are more likely to be married, and more likely to be successful in life - and this may mean they “need” religion less.
The studies used in Zuckerman's paper included a life-long analysis of the beliefs of a group of 1,500 gifted children - those with IQs over 135 - in a study which began in 1921 and continues today.

Even at 75 to 91 years of age, the children from Lewis Terman’s study scored lower for religiosity than the general population - contrary to the widely held belief that people turn to God as they age. The researchers noted that data was lacking about religious attitudes in old age and say, “Additional research is needed to resolve this issue.”


As early as 1958, Michael Argyle concluded, “Although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs, and rather less likely to have pro-religious attitudes.”

A 1916 study quoted in Zuckerman’s paper (Leuba) found that, “58% of randomly selected scientists in the United States expressed disbelief in, or doubt regarding the existence of God; this proportion rose to nearly 70% for the most eminent scientists.”

The paper, published in the academic journal Personality and Social Psychology Review, said “Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme—the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who “know better.”

The answer may, however, be more complex. Intelligent people may simply be able to provide themselves with the psychological benefits offered by religion - such as “self-regulation and self-enhancement,” because they are more likely to be successful, and have stable lives.

“Intelligent people typically spend more time in school—a form of self-regulation that may yield long-term benefits,” the researchers write. “More intelligent people get higher level jobs (and better employment (and higher salary) may lead to higher self-esteem, and encourage personal control beliefs.”

“Last, more intelligent people are more likely to get and stay married (greater attachment), though for intelligent people, that too comes later in life. We therefore suggest that as intelligent people move from young adulthood to adulthood and then to middle age, the benefits of intelligence may continue to accrue.”

The researchers suggest that further research on the “function” of religion may reveal more.

“People possessing the functions that religion provides are likely to adopt atheism, people lacking these very functions (e.g., the poor, the helpless) are likely to adopt theism,” the researchers wrote.
 

Dislexicmidget2021

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It took a review of 63 scientific studies to figure that out? :o
It often takes a seemingly superfluous amount of study to stifle any misconceptions about the evidence presented.Not only to the scientist community in which it is revealed and presented but to the public at large as well.It is necessary in a world in which people will attempt to debunk what any Scientific study reveals.
 

Nevaeh420

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Most religion is based simply on fairy tales. I don't understand how anyone can believe in such logical fallacies but religious people do. Its mostly because of preachers hammering down religious dogma into the pews. If people hear it enough, they might tend to start to believe. And then there are the parents and children. Children lean towards believing what their parents believe, especially at an early age. So if the parents believe in their religion than innately the children will have a greater propensity to believe in the dogma too.

I'm not saying that all religion is false, but its based on nonsensical fables that are derived from (usually) thousand year old text. Lets take the Bible for example, I'm sure that there are many facts in there but there is also many conjured up fantasy tales of miracles that have never been proven.

I believe its good to have faith in something, but I would rather see people have faith in the truth rather then fallacies. But the people that believe in their religion, believe that it is the whole truth, for the most part.

There will always be religion unfortunately but it could be good for some people. You know, to believe in a Higher Power. I believe in God, but not exactly the God of the Bible, but My logic is that some entity had to form the universe out of nothing. I'm also somewhat of a Agnostic because I cant prove God nor am I certain that He exists.

But the religious people shouldn't condemn the Atheists, nor should the Atheists chastise the religious people because there could be some truth to both. I'm sure that the Bible isn't all fake and there could be some real history in there.

~PEACE~
 

tyler.durden

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Most religion is based simply on fairy tales. I don't understand how anyone can believe in such logical fallacies but religious people do. Its mostly because of preachers hammering down religious dogma into the pews. If people hear it enough, they might tend to start to believe. And then there are the parents and children. Children lean towards believing what their parents believe, especially at an early age. So if the parents believe in their religion than innately the children will have a greater propensity to believe in the dogma too.

I'm not saying that all religion is false, but its based on nonsensical fables that are derived from (usually) thousand year old text. Lets take the Bible for example, I'm sure that there are many facts in there but there is also many conjured up fantasy tales of miracles that have never been proven.

I believe its good to have faith in something, but I would rather see people have faith in the truth rather then fallacies. But the people that believe in their religion, believe that it is the whole truth, for the most part.

There will always be religion unfortunately but it could be good for some people. You know, to believe in a Higher Power. I believe in God, but not exactly the God of the Bible, but My logic is that some entity had to form the universe out of nothing. I'm also somewhat of a Agnostic because I cant prove God nor am I certain that He exists.
So, you spend 90+% of your time posting all over this board how you are the son of god, christ himself, but you are not certain that god exists? I have no words to explain how fucked up that is. You need some serious help...

But the religious people shouldn't condemn the Atheists, nor should the Atheists chastise the religious people because there could be some truth to both. I'm sure that the Bible isn't all fake and there could be some real history in there.
How could there be truth in both? God either exists, or it does not. There is no middle ground...
 

Nevaeh420

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So, you spend 90+% of your time posting all over this board how you are the son of god, christ himself, but you are not certain that god exists? I have no words to explain how fucked up that is. You need some serious help...
The whole Son of God thing that I claim is just a title that I have assumed. If God exists than I would be His Son. If God doesn't exist than I'm just a poser. But if God exists than the whole world is His family and we are all sons and daughters of God.

But how do you prove God? I cant prove God because I don't know the proper definition of what God is. God is "the one Supreme Being" but what is that? Is God a person? Is God a spirit? Or is God something else? Most Christians would say that Jesus is God, but where is Jesus?

Maybe I'm a little confused spiritually because I believe that I'm Christ but I also cannot prove God to anyone. I assume God created the universe but I've never met Him as a person or in any other way that I know of now.

EDIT- Lets put it this way, if God does not exist than BILLIONS of people around the world are praying to nothing and believing for nothing. But I don't think one of the billions of believers have up to date concrete evidence of God. Lets see if one of those believers can convince a headstrong Atheist that God is alive and real and whatnot!

How could there be truth in both? God either exists, or it does not. There is no middle ground...
Your right, either God exists or He does not. There is no middle ground.

But as far as the Bible goes, I'm sure there is factual history in there. Its not all fiction. I believe that if your a truth seeker and want to believe in truth than the historical truth in the Bible should be believed if your an Atheist or a Christian. So that's the middle ground I'm talking about!

EDIT- The believers shouldn't be at fault because there is some factual evidence in their beliefs. But also the Atheists shouldn't be at fault because they don't want to believe a book with so much fiction.

~PEACE~
 

Dislexicmidget2021

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There are a few words that come to mind when describing many of the story's in the bible, fiction can be one of them,the other would be fabrication IMO.Fabrication of events that actualy occured and are documented.How can there be a middle ground with so much fabrication?If you ask why I would say such,it is simple George,influencial power over the people.Influence in which control can be asserted without question and the opinions of those who would oppose it, were to be shunned by everyone along with the same person who held the opposing opinion.Your looking for this cooperative stance amongst theist and atheist when it simply is to far of a divide to cross,,and that divide is held with great reason.
 

Nevaeh420

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There are a few words that come to mind when describing many of the story's in the bible, fiction can be one of them,the other would be fabrication IMO.Fabrication of events that actualy occured and are documented.How can there be a middle ground with so much fabrication?If you ask why I would say such,it is simple George,influencial power over the people.Influence in which control can be asserted without question and the opinions of those who would oppose it, were to be shunned by everyone along with the same person who held the opposing opinion.Your looking for this cooperative stance amongst theist and atheist when it simply is to far of a divide to cross,,and that divide is held with great reason.
I'm not saying whether its right or wrong to be an Atheist or a Believer. To each their own. I just advocate for the truth. I think that the truth is be paramount. But how do you discern the truth from so much fiction that's in these holy books?

The Atheists can do whatever makes them happy, in My opinion. I just hope that the Atheists are happy. The last thing we need is more assholes.

I think its time that the world gets a new holy book, a book that is all factual about real things. A book that the Atheists and the Agnostics will believe too because its all facts. But this is just wishful thinking. But I think that's why so many Atheists are turn off from the Bible, its because its outdated and full of fiction.

I hear what your saying about religions power over people, but whos to blame? The sheep or the shepherds? Its the upper echelon that's responsible for the 21st century churches. I could see how the Bible could be believed a few hundred years ago or more, but today science could easily debunk most of the Bibles fables.

Maybe there will be a factual book in the future that will be a believable "book" that even the most hardened Atheist can believe because its based on facts. But the facts would have to be about something special, real special. I don't know what this new "holy" book will be about but I'm sure that all the brilliant minds in this world can think of something great! In other words, there should be a new type of spirituality. Something that would unify all faiths, or non-faiths alike.

~PEACE~
 

Beefbisquit

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I'm not saying whether its right or wrong to be an Atheist or a Believer. To each their own. I just advocate for the truth. I think that the truth is be paramount. But how do you discern the truth from so much fiction that's in these holy books?

The Atheists can do whatever makes them happy, in My opinion. I just hope that the Atheists are happy. The last thing we need is more assholes.

I think its time that the world gets a new holy book, a book that is all factual about real things. A book that the Atheists and the Agnostics will believe too because its all facts. But this is just wishful thinking. But I think that's why so many Atheists are turn off from the Bible, its because its outdated and full of fiction.

I hear what your saying about religions power over people, but whos to blame? The sheep or the shepherds? Its the upper echelon that's responsible for the 21st century churches. I could see how the someone like me could be believed a few hundred years ago or more, but today science could easily debunk most of my fables.

Maybe there will be a factual book in the future that will be a believable "book" that even the most hardened Atheist can believe because its based on facts. But the facts would have to be about something special, real special. I don't know what this new "holy" book will be about but I'm sure that all the brilliant minds in this world can think of something great! In other words, there should be a new type of spirituality. Something that would unify all faiths, or non-faiths alike.

~PEACE~
Edited for correctness.
 

Nevaeh420

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Edited for correctness.
Who knows Beef, I might be the next real Messiah. Well I am the Messiah but no one believes or cares. But maybe when I'm dead, like Jesus, people will recognize Me for being the greatest Man to have ever lived.

This could just be wishful thinking because there would have to be a person of importance to read what I have written on here in order for the sheep to follow. But the last thing I want is a cult, but I wouldn't mind being the King of the world. I would only dictate peace and prosperity. The rest of the laws could be made up by the people via the online government that I would set up.

A person can dream cant he?

Its not like its ever going to happen but it sure would be nice to live in a world that I would help design. My goal for the world would be paradise.

I just hope that one day (when I'm dead) people will wake up and build a world that's fit for all of the royal children of God.

You don't need to "edit for correctness" because this post is crazy enough just like the rest of them.

~PEACE~
 

BygonEra

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I don't know that I agree that atheists are more intelligent than religious people - being religious doesn't mean following an organized religion, and I would argue that agnostics are no different (in that respect) than atheists. People that blindly follow a religion because it's been engrained in them or for some other irrational reason, I would definitely say as a whole are less intelligent. I'm not necessarily an atheist, but I believe in m-theory/string theory/the big bang/primordial soup.... I consider myself an extremely logical person... and those that preach "facts" without proof and tell others that they pity them because they will wind up in hell... well... I'd say it's pretty obvious who is more logical.. logic = rationality = common sense = good chance of higher IQ ;) lol but hey, if you've done your research then good for you - you're probably pretty smart regardless of what you beleive.
 

BygonEra

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How would one have "done their research" and still come to the conclusion that a god exists?
It depends on what you research and the bias you have going in to it. Confirmation bias is what gives bible thumpers a leg to stand on in a debate. And you really can't argue with those people... they're arguing based on faith in something that has no concrete evidence and a lot of fallacies. But, I'm okay with that as long as they (think they) know what they're talking about and care enough to carry on a somewhat legitimate debate.

But, like I said, I've done my research and I only beleive the facts... the rest interests me but I can't say I "know" why we're here lol. Hence why I'm not an atheist. I beleive the M-Theory is on the right track but there's a lot that doesn't add up... that explains the origin of our universe/the big bang, but it doesn't explain where atoms/elements/matter in general come from. There are theories for that, and I have no doubt we'll have more answers before I die.. so we'll see. But I respect everyone's opinions and living in the south, a logical approach towards religion is few and far between. :p
 

eye exaggerate

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"After physicists slam into a problem for a few decades, they tend to go into greener pastures. Alpha calculating has been out of fashion for a while. Physics is making progress without it. But it is comforting to know that if you're at a party, and some know-it-all is talking about how great the progress of science is, you can always say, 'That’s true, my man. But why is alpha equal to one hundred thirty-seven?'"

http://www.1377731.com/137/
 

Beefbisquit

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Who knows Beef, I might be the next real Messiah. Well I am the Messiah but no one believes or cares. But maybe when I'm dead, like Jesus, people will recognize Me for being the greatest Man to have ever lived.

This could just be wishful thinking because there would have to be a person of importance to read what I have written on here in order for the sheep to follow. But the last thing I want is a cult, but I wouldn't mind being the King of the world. I would only dictate peace and prosperity. The rest of the laws could be made up by the people via the online government that I would set up.

A person can dream cant he?

Its not like its ever going to happen but it sure would be nice to live in a world that I would help design. My goal for the world would be paradise.

I just hope that one day (when I'm dead) people will wake up and build a world that's fit for all of the royal children of God.

You don't need to "edit for correctness" because this post is crazy enough just like the rest of them.

~PEACE~
You might also win the lotto while being struck by lightning during a bungee jump, but we have no good reason to believe it. Just like we have no good reason to believe you.

Talk is cheap, and so are your ideas.
 

Sand4x105

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Religious people? Not intelligent ? No, I do not agree…

More gullible? Yes for sure…


You know driving around, you can see “Road Cuts” where the road is cut through layers of prehistoric sediment, lying on top of each other as the pages in a very remarkable book, telling earths story, of the area…


So riding through Montana with my dad [very churchie] and his engineer [same church] I ask them, point blank:

“Seeing the world and theses many layers of earth’s history, is there any ‘Christians’ that still believe earth is only, 6500 years old ?” [time line from now back in time, to Adam, & Eve]

We got into a mild argument about how god made the earth 6500 years ago, with fossils, layers of sediment, and other signs [dinosaur bones]… Really, god made the earth, with layers of history all ready in it…

OH MY GAWD….

Stupid, no… gullible [“son, you must take some things on faith…”]

Very, very gullible….
 
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