Possible lockout

Been growing for 14 years mostly outdoors usually start inside and I think I have had these or similar problems every time I try inside

So I got a par meter from apogee and have all lights set to around 300-400 par give or take par at canopy level

Lights are

2x rapid chilled cool logic led
Each 300 watt pucks

And 2x
Each is 320 watt cob bulbs

I run a infinity fan set to 65-70% High relative humidity and 55% low
83 degrees Fahrenheit high temp 50 low never goes there

There is humidifier in room that’s on a cycled timer with a fan that runs every 15 mins so it increases rh and moves air around

Heater in room not directly facing any plants set to 81

Only fed roots Buddha grow
And recharge once
Checked ph whole time

I have all plants in roots 707 I was thinking my problem was the sns 209 I use that to make plants undesirable to pest it’s a systemic pesticide I brought clones from outside to inside a new set up room with no other plants and treated with sns 209 and 203 and azamax to clean of any pest i sprayed them the other day after I thinned them up and cloned them and after a day or two I was feeling worried they looked rough to me was thinking it was sns or azamax residue hurting them so I rinsed it off but now im puzzled up until now I was only feeding once a week with Buddha grow just as a general grow food as these were all to be moms and I wanted it to Be relatively easy on me I was also adding roots calmag as I was familiar with these girls and I think they want more food so last watering they were looking a light green to me and more purple stems so I used recharge at regular rate 1/2 tsp per gallon but looking back at it I was running the original plants also in 707 and as ipm was using sns 209 but I think know after feeling like I have everything in order for room conditions and knowing par is ok I’m stressed wtf am I doing wrong I check ph using drops I am going to buy a good meter Tomorrow as to eliminate all possibilities of that I have a blue lab ec ppm stick meter

I think I have a cal or mg def lockout thing first kinda looked like ironish and last grow I had similar mg def signs and nitrogen what to me seems like excess is this cuz I’m not in soil what should I do I feel like I know it is cuz the coco I juts don’t know how to correct and I read all these go together so it makes since

Just wonder so many variables I tried to include my room feature and environment all so someone more experienced could try to help


Even read direct fan or not enough directly related to calcium uptake and correct VPD from rh\temp

I went and got the entire nectar for the god line and watered with what it recommend for mid Veg cuz I also wonder if I am starving them outdoors I build nice super soil beds and have amazing luck every year inside is like really stressful to me

worst case scenario I have clones of everything I will put those in a super soil or dirt I didn’t really think about coco not being actual dirt 14 years still figuring hope that does the trick if that’s what I have to do

Some pics went from looking amazing to in my opinion scary

Add CalMag+ @ 5ml/gal of water. You should see a correction within 48 hours. I prefer Botanicare brand but use w/e you want.

LED lights cause CalMag Deficiencies as does Coco medium. Yellow / feint leaves like that are just hungry. Update us.

You honestly could have heat sensitive strains to reading through your thread again. 81 F indoors under LED seems to be a recommendation, especially during VEG but in my personal experience I've found mid-70s to be a lot better and forgiving when growing multiple strains in 1 room. Try shooting for 75 F - 50% lights on. 68-50% lights off.

I have every grow shop employee ask me questions and I've always probed them to see what info they spout out and usually the most common mistake is they say for LED you need the ambient room temperature to be 80-82 F but in reality they're referencing the LST (Leaf Surface Temperature) which needs to be around 80 F to breathe optimally. Leaf Surface Temperature is way different than Ambient temperature in the room and can be effected by airflow, circulation or lack thereof or over/under watered foliage.

"5x5' LED AutoPot Setup"
AutoPot XL 4 Pot System with 6.6 Gallon Pots
Royal Gold Tuper Medium (coco based with perlite)
Botanicare CalMag+ @ 5ml/gal
Botanicare CNS17 @ 15ml/gal
Light: Growers Choice ROI-E720 Fixture

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i see some nitrogen toxicity issues, some nitrogen deficiency issues, what looks like possible ph issue and maybe root bound in those smaller pots/bags. plus i think you may be a but warm. i keep mine at or around lower 70's lights on and low 60's lights off. how far above plants is the light?

actech said:

i see some nitrogen toxicity issues, some nitrogen deficiency issues, what looks like possible ph issue and maybe root bound in those smaller pots/bags. plus i think you may be a but warm. i keep mine at or around lower 70's lights on and low 60's lights off. how far above plants is the light?

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I have room mostly in mid to high 70s like 78 76 usually it’s on controller I went out and got par meter lights are about 2-3 feet off plants with par range set to 300-400 got good blue lab ph meter and truncheon stick for ppm also a soil ph meter from Hannah,I learned inside this stuff is really important I have had plenty of half ass grows inside but there always lacking and usually just getting set for outdoors but anyways I tested all plants soil ph and ppm and most were in good range in between 6.3 - 6.7 ppm 300-400 and 600 on the little supper nitrogen toxic looking ones there in coco and I had been barely feeding and Im not sure how instense in had the lights before cuz after getting the meter I can see how one slight turn changes it a lot might of been a little much and starvations which may have led lockout possibly and also like a lazy fool I would water the slower ones a little when I watered the faster plants aka never let the small nitrogen toxic one dry out so it wasn’t helping but I got nectar for the gods line and fed all week ago then yesterday to be confident cuz there in coco unfortunately I spaced out thinking roots 707 was a super soil explains a lot of my problems live and learn I bought all new dirt for these girls and all the other clones too real super soil for moms and nectar #4 for plants that will be flowered as to make things easy ,they look like there coming around But to be confident I flushed t make sure there wasn’t a lockout or anything and while flushing applied nematodes next water is feed sure they need it but I will go easy on the greener ones and see how much the lighter ones want I would ideally like to grow completely organic inside like I do outdoors but that requires space I don’t currently have for the method I’d like and there is all the beneficial bugs I would need a diffemt spot for that nut these are all clones from a pheno hunt I did of 80 plants most have been tested in and outside there’s 12 phenos total but I’m scrapping a few and keeping like 7 total

Take into account the leaf twisting is extra gnarly cuz there overwatered cuz i flushed them good rather be safe then sorry and also Iv seen people on here saying azamax does that foliar And I have used it With sns 209 to prevent and treat these ladies and I do personally feel one of those two things makes leaves messed up but once I dial these in I can test that one I have plants in good dirt consistently happy I’ll do a side by side for the world

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All the plants are coming back around more food dialed in ph and ppm now rh is good just need time now


I also had flushed as preventative to make sure wasn’t locked out but the last pic looks more yellow then the first one of it but has been happy and will continue feeding and watching soil ph and ppm sure she will green up with continued correct measures there all being fed nectar of the gods feed feed tea feed feed flush tea being photo p and flush being Herculean harvest water ph to 6.1-6.2

They were hungry to Everyone like myself who knows how to grow pot but forgot the importance of recreating nature inside Measure ph and feed them lady’s I was thinking my indoor had the same food source as outdoors they dmt and I had all sorts of variables well I eliminated all them have room dialed in now and have been following a feed schedule and after a run or so like this I am going to eventually have all my girls be back to completely organic and Korean nutrient farming style been a goal of mine for years let’s make it a reality


Now enjoy these moms that are looking way better

On a few you can see the leafs where they were two differnt tones of green I thought it was a deficiency of iron or magnesium or nitrogen excess but it was Just hungry and causing either actual deficiency in one department cuz it used up it’s main source I’m not sure but getting rh and food into has 360 them still excited for a batch that has no hiccups ahhhhh always learning


All new growth looks good older fans dying shitty but as to be expected I’m just happy these moms didn’t die I could of kept the clones going no but to recreate the same problem well I figured it out thanks be to god



As you can see here above the new growth is amazing and not lime green or showing interveinal chlorosis and some is actually going back to normal


This girl maybe once she’s happy will cut it out but woody shitty stems that just snap off with wrong move no keeper to me unless she really impresses me next run
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