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RyanTrees

RyanTrees

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I need help making a decision, I have a plant that started as a double sprouted seed, I waited a week or two and cut smaller sprout out, caused a weird reaction with remaining sprout. When I cut out smaller sprout the bigger sprout acted almost as if it had been topped two shoots took off however the TOP is a leaf... Should I cut center out, it is bare no nodes but it's thick and green if it goes up maybe produce nodes and growths... Maybe grow big bare empty branch and waste nutes and energy for the rest of her
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spek9

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That's pretty interesting. I'd leave it as is to see how things play out.

Going to follow this thread in hopes you keep us updated on how things go.

-spek
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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I don't think that center thing is a shoot, it looks done and I'd leave it alone. I think you'll have those two shoots and they should be fine.
 
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jazzymcfizzle

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that looks pretty cool, keep it and see where it goes from there. could get screwed or could find yourself pleasantly happy with it
 
Ayahuasca

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I've seen this happen with a few other growers but no one really had a solid scientific diagnosis for it. Only thing that seemed plausible to me is that it's a deformity brought on by growers topping they're plants, then using seeds from topped plants over and over cause a permanent change in the plants anatomy. I don't know what your future plans are but try and make a clone out of that plant and pollinate it. Use those seed to see if you get more and more plants like this. If you did that over and over you'd eventually get plants coming out pre-topped naturally everytime.
 
RyanTrees

RyanTrees

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I think it was caused from the double sprout. I killed smaller sprout and the center turned into leaf and stem the first node growth took off like the new tops and they are fat!
 
Dr. Who

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It never gets old with some of the moronic answers given around here. Don't abuse the plant just for the sake of what someone calls "learning". That plant is a cool dbl main stem caused by a genetic accident.

You now have a 2 main stem plant. If you top it at the proper point you will have a 4 main and could dbl that again if you are so inclined.

If you have done SCROG before. Then that would be a FINE plant for that, not to mention LST after some topping. I'll bet 2.5 lbs from that plant would be fairly easy to reach. The only thing you need is time and training in veg. = patience!

Clones from it would not express the trait you have. You would have to treat a cpl of buds to herm w/colloidal silver and let them go to seed by self pollinating and then running those seeds to see if the trait remains in the genetics.
That would be worth your time if you can manage that. HELL, I'd like some of those seeds myself!

That is a wanted genetic variation.
 
Hydrotech364

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RyanTrees said:
I need help making a decision, I have a plant that started as a double sprouted seed, I waited a week or two and cut smaller sprout out, caused a weird reaction with remaining sprout. When I cut out smaller sprout the bigger sprout acted almost as if it had been topped two shoots took off however the TOP is a leaf... Should I cut center out, it is bare no nodes but it's thick and green if it goes up maybe produce nodes and growths... Maybe grow big bare empty branch and waste nutes and energy for the rest of her
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Woah......Ya need to quit fuckin with it, ya may have a sweet breeder....
 
RyanTrees

RyanTrees

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Dr. Who said:
It never gets old with some of the moronic answers given around here. Don't abuse the plant just for the sake of what someone calls "learning". That plant is a cool dbl main stem caused by a genetic accident.

You now have a 2 main stem plant. If you top it at the proper point you will have a 4 main and could dbl that again if you are so inclined.

If you have done SCROG before. Then that would be a FINE plant for that, not to mention LST after some topping. I'll bet 2.5 lbs from that plant would be fairly easy to reach. The only thing you need is time and training in veg. = patience!

Clones from it would not express the trait you have. You would have to treat a cpl of buds to herm w/colloidal silver and let them go to seed by self pollinating and then running those seeds to see if the trait remains in the genetics.
That would be worth your time if you can manage that. HELL, I'd like some of those seeds myself!

That is a wanted genetic variation.
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I wish I was a little more setup to scrog rig now, been thinking of it, I've always tied down and bent, right now I need quick meds, legally allowed 12 right now between me and my mother, I haven't had a place to grow for almost two years due to child custody battle, even with having the card I went thru some hoops. To prove I wasn't a warehouse grower like my sons mother has reported. I wish but sadly it wasn't even true, anyway back to this grow, I just got green light to start a new grow so I had to pop beans and take off I'll veg another week maybe then flip em.
Given I have a 5x10 tent and 2 1000watt and 12plant limit how would you suggest I grow? Two or three monsters scrog get or 12 smaller plants
 
docter

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RyanTrees said:
I need help making a decision, I have a plant that started as a double sprouted seed, I waited a week or two and cut smaller sprout out, caused a weird reaction with remaining sprout. When I cut out smaller sprout the bigger sprout acted almost as if it had been topped two shoots took off however the TOP is a leaf... Should I cut center out, it is bare no nodes but it's thick and green if it goes up maybe produce nodes and growths... Maybe grow big bare empty branch and waste nutes and energy for the rest of her
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cool.
 
Ammastor

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Id clone the shit out of that. I have seen that before. A buddy had that happen. He grew her out and the smoke was great. The girl pretty much turned into 2 plants. You get increased yields. Is pretty much what it does. He had to tie his up though. One side was heavier then the other. So it pulled the plant in one direction. He wished he cloned his. But he never did.

Take a clipping and see what it does. If nothing special. Grow emm out. Might have something there that you dont want to get rid of. Then again maybe not. Worth a try though.
 
Dr. Who

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RyanTrees said:
I wish I was a little more setup to scrog rig now, been thinking of it, I've always tied down and bent, right now I need quick meds, legally allowed 12 right now between me and my mother, I haven't had a place to grow for almost two years due to child custody battle, even with having the card I went thru some hoops. To prove I wasn't a warehouse grower like my sons mother has reported. I wish but sadly it wasn't even true, anyway back to this grow, I just got green light to start a new grow so I had to pop beans and take off I'll veg another week maybe then flip em.
Given I have a 5x10 tent and 2 1000watt and 12plant limit how would you suggest I grow? Two or three monsters scrog get or 12 smaller plants
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8 plants, topped, lolly popped and super cropped. 4 per light and that gives you 4 to be starting/vegging for the next run if you can. Yield when you get the system down, should be around 2lbs for the 8 plants in that size tent.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Ammastor said:
Id clone the shit out of that. I have seen that before. A buddy had that happen. He grew her out and the smoke was great. The girl pretty much turned into 2 plants. You get increased yields. Is pretty much what it does. He had to tie his up though. One side was heavier then the other. So it pulled the plant in one direction. He wished he cloned his. But he never did.

Take a clipping and see what it does. If nothing special. Grow emm out. Might have something there that you dont want to get rid of. Then again maybe not. Worth a try though.
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Clones will have the gene, BUT, your now running a single main.
This is a breeder! To get the mutation, you must self pollinate several buds. The resulting seeds will all be fem and carry all the genetic traits of the parent. Some (no telling how many) of those seeds will express that gene mutation.
 
mike4c4

mike4c4

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doing a scrog is good i have done them in the past, but i found there harder to take care of if you should happen to get bugs since you cant move them. i had enough of trying to craw around on the floor spraying the bottom of all those leaves to kill the mites i had. If you had a limit of 2 or 4 i would say scrog, but 12 i say grow them big.
 
RyanTrees

RyanTrees

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Well after this crop and and a little coin I'll setup another light in my other tent, I could scrog one tent and use my smaller 4x4for a couple plants doing perpetual idk yet but I'll dial it in, I started building a scrog last night, I'm going to scrog 6 and do 6reg scrog on one side the. Others on other side.image.jpg
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RyanTrees

RyanTrees

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Please note I am only scrog going six of the 12 in pic, I will move the other six out from under scrog net Saturday after electrician leaves and I start my second light back up
 
PatchKid

PatchKid

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mine did that too! it ended up bending itself over so the top could get light. it trained itself it was pretty neat. then I topped that and everything is just going how it should
 
Ace Yonder

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Ayahuasca said:
I've seen this happen with a few other growers but no one really had a solid scientific diagnosis for it. Only thing that seemed plausible to me is that it's a deformity brought on by growers topping they're plants, then using seeds from topped plants over and over cause a permanent change in the plants anatomy. I don't know what your future plans are but try and make a clone out of that plant and pollinate it. Use those seed to see if you get more and more plants like this. If you did that over and over you'd eventually get plants coming out pre-topped naturally everytime.
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Hahaha sadly genetics doesn't work like that, If it did, families that practiced circumcision would eventually start having babies born without foreskins. What we do to ourselves, or our plants, doesn't get encoded in the DNA we/they pass on. Now, if he breeds his plant and selects offspring that share its mutation, he could wind up with stable genetics that grow with this pattern, but that mutation is not caused by the parents being repeatedly topped. It's like giraffes. They didn't grow long necks because they were constantly stretching for high leaves, the gene for long necks was a result of random mutation, and the ones with that mutation lived longer and had more babies than the ones without it.
 
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