Plants probably too far gone to save - is pruning and back to veg stage an option?

Stargazing

Stargazing

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Will try to be brief. Six plants, in soil (biobiz)under 2 x 400 HPS. Plants have very good root system and nice fat stems and were doing ok using Advanced nutrients PH Perfect Grow and then Bloom. A week ago when two weeks into flowering it all went haywire. So far as I can tell, they are particularly suffering from mineral defficiencies - great loss of fan leaves, new growth stunted, v small leaves and bud really closely bunched together on new growth. Long story , short - experienced grower measured my PH with nutrients added and its 4.8. - low enough to cause multiple nutritional deficiency problems?

I have taken various action to try and solve the problems but cannot really afford to carry on with the lights on plants that show little promise of producing a worthwhile harvest. My mate reckons compost heap - but as Im more emotionally and financially involved I wonder if there is any mileage in pruning back and turning back to veg period under fluorescent (due to high cost of electric) rather than HPS?

Any views appreciated
 
I have spent hours over three evenings earlier in the week when plants still maybe viable trying to upload pictures from my mobile - installed and re-installed several times the Samsung Software required to my laptop, does not work! Between that and researching nutritional deficiencies etc every evening last week, I am lose to a sleepless, nervous wreck! I really wish I could provide photos - but that has got me beat too. Hence more general question.
 
Stargazing said:
I have spent hours over three evenings earlier in the week when plants still maybe viable trying to upload pictures from my mobile - installed and re-installed several times the Samsung Software required to my laptop, does not work! Between that and researching nutritional deficiencies etc every evening last week, I am lose to a sleepless, nervous wreck! I really wish I could provide photos - but that has got me beat too. Hence more general question.
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Your mobile device to rollitup.org from browser and upload directly from mobile
 
Thanks Mr Ganja - I did find that chart myself & other images of defficiency/toxicity to try and identify the problem. The plants are so bad that its possible to think they have every problem going but I did think that I could definitely see a close comparison to zinc and phosphorous and pottasium deficiencies - with some reddish striping on stems indicating nitrogen deficiency? Believe me - I aint been a slacker and done my homework, but foolishly (in retrospect) trusted PH Perfect to do what it promises so did not check PH until too late. For better or worse, action I have taken is flush and partially replace some of the soil in the pots. I have started feeding with Bio Bloom raising PH to 6.5 & given a light foliar feed with seaweed extract. They are looking a little perkier - but whether it is worth continuing on purely economic terms is doubtful, though I do find 'Im struggling to 'let-go'. They are my babies afterall. I will have another go at photo's this evening.
 
Afraid not, my mobile doesnt have wi-fi, but does have blue tooth, my laptop unfortunately does not. So - I am about to try and connect my newly aquired but 2nd hand, 1st Generation Ipad to my internet, then bluetooth photos to the I pad.That's the theory at least but I might be gone a very.................long time! Please do check back.

They are looking perkier still - but given previous state they would have to perk a whole lot more.
 
Stargazing said:
Afraid not, my mobile doesnt have wi-fi, but does have blue tooth, my laptop unfortunately does not. So - I am about to try and connect my newly aquired but 2nd hand, 1st Generation Ipad to my internet, then bluetooth photos to the I pad.That's the theory at least but I might be gone a very.................long time! Please do check back.

They are looking perkier still - but given previous state they would have to perk a whole lot more.
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dont need wifi use the mobile network...
 
Stargazing said:
I have spent hours over three evenings earlier in the week when plants still maybe viable trying to upload pictures from my mobile - installed and re-installed several times the Samsung Software required to my laptop, does not work! Between that and researching nutritional deficiencies etc every evening last week, I am lose to a sleepless, nervous wreck! I really wish I could provide photos - but that has got me beat too. Hence more general question.
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Sometimes the technology gets you down when you don't have the time or patience to screw with it. HAng in there !
 
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I actually tried to download these as file attachments, but obviously I have done something wrong & the photo's are that good either - but then again neither am I or my plants. Best I can do for now folks -
 
did you flush the container at all? 5.5 -6.2 will do great. looks to need a flush.buy led thye show fast results.mine got here today and boom growth.
 
Hmmmm, photos downloaded, 300+ views and one reply. Ah well............you live and learn and Im sure I will do better next time. I might even improve my use of technology skills - when my head is in a better place to learn.
 
I would say the damage is due to your pH.... 4.8 is very acidic and your plants are having a hard time absorbing the proper nutes. Definitely flush, and figure out why your pH is so low. Maybe replant, but generally its pretty easy to make your soil more alkaline, so I'd definitely try that first.
 
Thanks for replies - As i was at a complete loss of what to do I did flush and partially replace soil. Changed from Advanced Nutrients PH perfect (which gave a 4.8 reading in water from the tap at around7.0). to Bio Bloom and adjusted PH to 6.5. They are showing definite signs of improvement & new, but slow growth.

As previous damage was so severe, they have very few fan leaves left and are little more than a mass of small leaves with immature small buds, but with well developed root systems and fat stems. With UK electric costs being so high I am really struggling to decide whether to 'cut my losses' & give up on them? Hard to know how long to recover & chances of a worthwhile harvest , Id happy if harvest just covered electric outlay at this stage.

Hell - its stressful growing weed, I need to go and roll one up and chill out!!!!
 
Hi dude. Know feeling with UK electric costs. I would cut your losses. Won't cover the bill.
Why was you having probs with AN nutrients ph perfect? How much feeding and how often? Steer you right next time round.
 
djlifeline said:
Hi dude. Know feeling with UK electric costs. I would cut your losses. Won't cover the bill.
Why was you having probs with AN nutrients ph perfect? How much feeding and how often? Steer you right next time round.
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Being a newbie I chose Adv Nutrients ato save hassle of PH etc, wasnt until it was too late that a mate who is long-time grower came to check out my plants and measured PH at 4.8 (with nutes) - so lock out possibly an issue? But, also on his advice I was feeding at every watering when plants dry - so every 3rd or 4th day, been told by some this is overfeeding??

For future ref Im going to check PH with A N Bloom again today with a new PH Metre as 4.8 just isnt right??
 
Tell your long time grower friend to read the bottle. You don't need to PH adjust it. It doesn't matter what it is. Don't ask why, it just the way that product works hence being called PH Perfect. I would suggest not using it with soil. Could use it with CoCo? Get better growth rates and you feed every watering. It's an idiot proof version of hydroponics. I do it :)

it is well over fed but I think could be mix over feeding, too often and what soil is it? Makes a big difference.
 
Well ............I think he understood the AN PH in principle but questioned 4.8 as a potential problem in soil , which is Biobiz .

All I know is that after a slow start & working up to recc dose gradually plants looked good, then 2 weeks into flowering when I changed to AN PH Bloom, it all went haywire very rapidly!!

Overfeeding/under-feeding/lock-out - with so much damage its like you can see every symptom going. But, when leaves all but disapeared I could see reddish stripes on stems & stalks which suggested N defficiency? Also, researching damage led me to most identify with 'micro-nutrient' deficiencies.

Either way, its too late now ( a couple might be worth saving) but I want to learn as much as I can about what went wrong to try and avoid same mistakes again.
 
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