Over-watering issue solved?

Hello everybody, I am new here as you can see! I really like the forums here, very informative, and tons of great new ideas to expand my mind and plants!

Anyhow, there are 2x Wonder Woman not from Nirvava and 2 Jack Herer X NL #5 (thus my name HererBorealis) seeds were from a reputable local supplier. Running a 430 Son agro HPS along with a small floro tube for a lil extra kick. total surface area is 8 sq ft.

They are now 3 weeks old and I fear i severely overwatered them. Plants were all very droopy and "soft" including leaves, stems and main stalks as well as leaves being clawlike/curled. After doing 2 days worth of research through this site and others, I concluded that the soil had to be dried/aerated as quickly as possible. I removed all plants from their pots, and broke away all of the soil that i safely could. Found bottom 4 inches to be almost soggy. Upon inspection, roots seemed healthy, although very thin. Then I tossed the soil in the air for a few mins to let it dry out. Then returned all plants to their respective pots.

It has been 2 days now, and have been seeing a little improvement. Main stalks have hardened again, as well as stems, although leaves are beginning to become a little dried out. May this be because the root system was probably damaged, and now water uptake is reduced?

Would appreciate any input, comments or suggestions anyone may have!

P.S. Tops of plants have seemed healthy/lush all the way through, these are tough little plants!

pictures of the leaves would help.what colour are they?are they still a healthy green colour?or yellow,brown or black?

Sorry, no camera atm for pics, but the leaves are a light green, very thin and starting to dry out a bit, not crumbly, but rough to the touch. a Few leaves have uncurled and somewhat flattened out a lil bit, but most are still clawlike.

Any thoughts anyone?

My plants were going downhill. They shows multiple symptoms.I'm a newbie too so i'm like wtf? Some of them were drying out(not crumbling) and curling up on me. Some were turning yellow.Some had brownish look spots(-ish). I put them on nutes and presto! Plants are healthy again pretty much over night. I've kept em on it every since.

Just some thoughts

we need pics cant fix what cant be seen, its like a blind man going hunting

hellraizer30 said:

we need pics cant fix what cant be seen, its like a blind man going hunting

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resinousflowers said:

pictures of the leaves would help.what colour are they?are they still a healthy green colour?or yellow,brown or black?

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Ok guys, borrowed a cam today and got a few pics, hope the quality is good enough to help the diagnosis!

Overwatering & PH Problems.

Cool, I will get a ph tester for soil soon, which way do you think it is off, up, or down?

I am about a week away from taking clones for sexing. This will be my first time taking clones myself. Fingers crossed for all to go well! Will be using Wilson brand Liquid Roots w/ Fungicide. Anyone have any suggestions? I was planning on topping them for the clones (as well as create the fabled double colas) Is this a good idea? I know that hormones at the top are different than the hormones at the bottom of the plant, but do you suppose it would prevent me from taking clones successfully?

Thx to all, and +rep for any help

Its hard to tell which its off by. When the PH is off the plant cannot uptake nutrients properly. Which causes deformed leaves, spots or discoloration. All sorts of mess you don't need. As soon as you fix the PH, all the future foliage will be healthy vibrant green. You can get a Hanna PH meter for 45 bucks, just make sure you also get the specific calibration solutions. If you dont know just ask a hydro shop employee. Once you get the Digital meter, take readings before from the water before you water and take readings from the run off water. Water and Soil when mixed the PH can fluctuate inside your growing medium, Which is where the true source of PH needs to be accurate. It really is important that the runoff is PH6.2-6.5 - Tons of problems arise from the water used, While your at it you should probably get a Total Dissolved Solids meter, if its in the budget. If the water isn't just right, the plant cannot uptake nutrients properly or at all.

Cannabis is a hardy plant when cultivated properly, There could honestly be one or numerous problems that are causing this. Part of cultivation is troubleshooting and half the information comes to play. Then again that's why i'm so obsessed with cannabis, I would suggest you purchase this.. A minimal investment for priceless information.
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Wow, great reply! and timely too! I'm getting a PH thester tomorrow, and maybe that book too!

Thx again for your help!

Anyone else who has has an opinion on the topping for clones idea please chime in at any time

Thanks man! Top clones 6-8 Weeks of Vegetative growth, It is recommended to take clones from a 8 week old mother, so i would say the same with topping, Cutting a plant stresses it out quite a bit, Could even potentially turn in Hermie. That's why its best to get the most Stable genetics for cultivation.

Cool, thx for the input. Ive been looking into getting some sort of F1 strain to eventually cross with another F1 strain and create my own! I'd like to start breeding some fem seeds on my next crop too.

Anyone have any idea where to actually get some chemo seeds? I've been searching fruitlessly for a while and everywhere I look it says they're sold out... I'd really like to get some of those for breeding !

HererBorealis said:

Cool, thx for the input. Ive been looking into getting some sort of F1 strain to eventually cross with another F1 strain and create my own! I'd like to start breeding some fem seeds on my next crop too.

Anyone have any idea where to actually get some chemo seeds? I've been searching fruitlessly for a while and everywhere I look it says they're sold out... I'd really like to get some of those for breeding !

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I have bred and stabilized my own strain, its a (Kandy Kush X Serious Seeds AK47 Cherry X Paradise Seeds White Berry) its F3 producing constant phenotypes and i am in the process of naturally feminizing them right now like all the major seed producers do. I suggest trying to breed the most stable genetics possible. There's ways of also using Hermies to a advantage in breeding females, You stress the plant out to become hermie naturally, you can interrupt the light cycle constantly. This process will dominate the chromosome sets with female chromosomes Take a dope ass male and keep the pollen in the fridge, once the hermie is done plant 10 seeds from the hermie and take the most stable female and use the good male pollen to pollinate it. the product from that cross becomes majority female seeds. Some people do this for years to find the most stable and highest yielding plants. High yield, quick harvesting plants have a disorder for producing abnormal yields. its like a deformation. Which is why these breeder's cross for years.

Nice pic! What are they 6 in tall?

I'm pretty sure the seeds I've got are F3's as well, I dont remember the actual parentage, but ill get it tomorrow from the breeder and post it up here.

By naturally fem, you mean with colloidal silver? Or Gibrellic acid?

HererBorealis said:

Nice pic! What are they 6 in tall?

I'm pretty sure the seeds I've got are F3's as well, I dont remember the actual parentage, but ill get it tomorrow from the breeder and post it up here.

By naturally fem, you mean with colloidal silver? Or Gibrellic acid?

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The acid and silver produce females unnaturally and causes plants to be unstable, the method i mentioned above is for natural females. The plants are small because there 24 day old seedlings... this is my 2nd run of stabilized seeds, i have a huge bag of them! Chromosomes come in sets of 10 in cannabis so to find the best genes you should plant in sets of 10. The more sets of 10's the better! Potential mothers are a bitch to find, i haven't found the IDEAL mother, just decent ones. All my seeds grow great though! i haven't had a single one damp off or show any deformations yet ive planted atleast 25 seeds.

This is actually the 25th day pic, im just stoned (Left:Serious Seeds AK47 Cherry Pheno X Dutch Passion Blueberry)(Right:Kandy Kush X Serious Seeds AK47 Cherry X Paradise Seeds White Berry)

Well, they're looking really good dude, keep it up, and best of luck finding a well suited mother for your endeavours. I can't wait till I create my very on strain, but that's a ways off yet...

Ive been studying my plants and so far all growth looks normal, no abnormalities or deformations. besides the moisture stress issue, they are coming along nicely, although ive lost a few days growth due to it. Im eager to get back on track. And considering picking up a few more seeds from different strains. Hopefully I can diversify my gene pool and find really good traits!

Will the most stable hermie seedlings not also have hermie traits to some extent? Ive heard this debated quite a bit on the forums and I am not sure what conclusion is right. Altho the "good" male pollen genetics from a known stable plant should certainly offset the effect.

Any ideas?

HererBorealis said:

Well, they're looking really good dude, keep it up, and best of luck finding a well suited mother for your endeavours. I can't wait till I create my very on strain, but that's a ways off yet...

Ive been studying my plants and so far all growth looks normal, no abnormalities or deformations. besides the moisture stress issue, they are coming along nicely, although ive lost a few days growth due to it. Im eager to get back on track. And considering picking up a few more seeds from different strains. Hopefully I can diversify my gene pool and find really good traits!

Will the most stable hermie seedlings not also have hermie traits to some extent? Ive heard this debated quite a bit on the forums and I am not sure what conclusion is right. Altho the "good" male pollen genetics from a known stable plant should certainly offset the effect.

Any ideas?

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Thanks for all your best wishes, i appreciate it! You should pick up Superthrive* Use it for every feeding up until the last 2 weeks of flower, Will speed things up again for you. Yes the F1 stable female cross and F1 stable male cross will offset the F2 hermie phenotype most of the time, depends on the male gene pool as well as the indica or sativa and strain heritage. There is no right or wrong for breeding, growing or harvesting your herb, certain techniques appeal to each others. If you love it and show it the best intentions it will show the same back.

You can also use dissolve birth control which contains estrogen in water and germinate seeds with it, Ive heard it increases females by 10-20% with a already 50% male to female ratio, your looking at about a 60-70% female ratio which is more than sufficient.

thenotoriousone said:

Thanks for all your best wishes, i appreciate it! You should pick up Superthrive* Use it for every feeding up until the last 2 weeks of flower, Will speed things up again for you. Yes the F1 stable female cross and F1 stable male cross will offset the F2 hermie phenotype most of the time, depends on the male gene pool as well as the indica or sativa and strain heritage. There is no right or wrong for breeding, growing or harvesting your herb, certain techniques appeal to each others. If you love it and show it the best intentions it will show the same back.

You can also use dissolve birth control which contains estrogen in water and germinate seeds with it, Ive heard it increases females by 10-20% with a already 50% male to female ratio, your looking at about a 60-70% female ratio which is more than sufficient.

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Wow, good stuff, I think I may try your natural method first, takes more time, but Im looking for quality over quantity anyway! And I really like what you said about no right or wrong in breeding/growing herb, a truly stoner's perspective
with which I FULLY AGREE!

Btw will be getting superthrive at the earliest possible moment! (maybe tomorrow) I know my roots really need a good boost, as when I had them out of the ground, they looked really thin!