Currently I am using a dwc system, and would like to know if there are any organic nutrients that I may be able to use without all the slime buildup?? I would prefer to not have to inoculate my res. Any help will be appreciated. I have done search after search and haven't really come up with a good answer.
Organic hydro????
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symbiote420
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Regardless of the hype there really is no way to go totally organic in hydroponics, just too messy IMO.
BongJamesBong
Active Member
I tried some roots organics in DWC and I gotta say it was the worst thing I've done in the little that I have done...even following the suggestions at my local shop...fill milk jug with nutes and water...shake until you can't shake anymore then shake some more...even then still destroyed air stone etc...just plain nasty
Heisenberg
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Saying you prefer not to inoculate your system is like saying you prefer synthetic chemical nutes. IOW organics need mircobes. Some parts of organic nutes are already broken down and usable by roots, but most needs to be decomposed. If you are dead set on organics, I recommend ebb and flow or drip to waste coco as they are much more forgiving of slime.
VoidObject
DWC/Bubbleponics Mod
I just Earth Juice in my DWC. It gets clumped in root balls and gunked on the side of rez's. I don't recommend it.
skunkd0c
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i have been looking at this idea too for quite some time, not tried it yet i just am not brave enough lol
a couple of products i noticed that claim are suitable for hydro without blocking up pumps etc and being in a state which allow them to be fully dissolved in the solution
(iguana) from Advanced Nutrients
is a complete "hydro-organic" nutrient. That means it's 100% organic but also 100% usable in hydroponics gardens. It feeds well and is completely soluble in Aeroponics, NFT, rockwool, soil, sphagnum, ebb and flow and all other garden types
(BioSevia) GHE (bioponic)
organic nutrients are formulated in order to slowly decompose in soil so, when in water, some of their elements will rot and release some quite unpleasant smells. Finally, they would clog the filters and injectors.
To be bioponic, a nutrient must be liquid or perfectly soluble. It must be rapidly degradable and readily available to the plant. BioSevia fits to all these conditions
i think it might be a good idea to also add enzymes and bio products
like Hygrozyme and Vita Link Bio-Pac
Vita Link Bio-Pac
contains a huge range of beneficial organisms including (amongst other things) humates, cold water pressed kelp, amino acids, carbohydrates, essential B vitamins, vitamin K as well as nitrogen fixing, phosphorous solubilising and growth promoting bacteria. In practical terms these help to enhance root biomass (quite dramatically!), increase efficiency of nutrient uptake, increase yield and increase stress resistance. Once colonised by Bio-Pac, plant rootzones will be healthier and more efficient
Hygrozyme
Hygrozyme is a genuine innovation in enzyme based products which breaks down old root mass to allow for and stimulate new growth. Manufactured in an entirely unique way, Hygrozyme offers growers a number of advantages over competing products
all seems to work out pretty costly compared to regular CHEMICAL hydro nutrients
and who knows how well it will work, its a gamble i haven't been prepared to take yet
the organic full complete liquid tomato food in the local garden center is looking more attractive its only £2.99
a couple of products i noticed that claim are suitable for hydro without blocking up pumps etc and being in a state which allow them to be fully dissolved in the solution
(iguana) from Advanced Nutrients
is a complete "hydro-organic" nutrient. That means it's 100% organic but also 100% usable in hydroponics gardens. It feeds well and is completely soluble in Aeroponics, NFT, rockwool, soil, sphagnum, ebb and flow and all other garden types
(BioSevia) GHE (bioponic)
organic nutrients are formulated in order to slowly decompose in soil so, when in water, some of their elements will rot and release some quite unpleasant smells. Finally, they would clog the filters and injectors.
To be bioponic, a nutrient must be liquid or perfectly soluble. It must be rapidly degradable and readily available to the plant. BioSevia fits to all these conditions
i think it might be a good idea to also add enzymes and bio products
like Hygrozyme and Vita Link Bio-Pac
Vita Link Bio-Pac
contains a huge range of beneficial organisms including (amongst other things) humates, cold water pressed kelp, amino acids, carbohydrates, essential B vitamins, vitamin K as well as nitrogen fixing, phosphorous solubilising and growth promoting bacteria. In practical terms these help to enhance root biomass (quite dramatically!), increase efficiency of nutrient uptake, increase yield and increase stress resistance. Once colonised by Bio-Pac, plant rootzones will be healthier and more efficient
Hygrozyme
Hygrozyme is a genuine innovation in enzyme based products which breaks down old root mass to allow for and stimulate new growth. Manufactured in an entirely unique way, Hygrozyme offers growers a number of advantages over competing products
all seems to work out pretty costly compared to regular CHEMICAL hydro nutrients
and who knows how well it will work, its a gamble i haven't been prepared to take yet
the organic full complete liquid tomato food in the local garden center is looking more attractive its only £2.99
skunkd0c
Well-Known Member
if you go with the biosevia, you wanna look into this too .. you either need the biofilter or the bm depending on the medium you use if, any in your hydro system
BM
Improves the efficiency of BioSevia
In soil use BioSevia alone, and apply every watering (2 ml / L). If you wish to improve matter breakdown and achieve better results, you can add some BM to it.
How to manage the micro-organisms?
But in hydroponics BioSevia must be used in conjunction with BM which is needed to reproduce, in the nutritive solution, the soil's natural degradation process.
There are 2 possibilities:
On humid substrate like coco fibre, rockwool or perlite : Simply add BM directly on the substrate.
On bare roots or in draining substrate like clay pebbles or lava rocks: Use the BioFiltre, which will give your micro-organisms the right environment to live in and develop.
Apply 10 g/100 L of nutritive solution. Add every 6 to 8 weeks.
Wherever they are, in a BioFiltre or directly in the substrate, the micro-organisms will happily thrive as long as their environment is oxygenated and humid. It is imperative, to guarantee a good development, to avoid all sudden changes, especially in temperature and pH levels. The more and happier your BMs are, the better your plants will be fed.
Important notice : a significant drop in pH is an alarm signal that indicates the death of a large quantity of micro-organisms. In this case, it is important to find the cause, treat it and replace with new BM.
BM and SubCulture are two different products. SubCulture is used to eliminate pathogens in the root zone, and help breakdown organic matter in the solution. BM is only used to breakdown organic matter. If you already use SubCulture, you do not need BM.
BM
Improves the efficiency of BioSevia
In soil use BioSevia alone, and apply every watering (2 ml / L). If you wish to improve matter breakdown and achieve better results, you can add some BM to it.
How to manage the micro-organisms?
But in hydroponics BioSevia must be used in conjunction with BM which is needed to reproduce, in the nutritive solution, the soil's natural degradation process.
There are 2 possibilities:
On humid substrate like coco fibre, rockwool or perlite : Simply add BM directly on the substrate.
On bare roots or in draining substrate like clay pebbles or lava rocks: Use the BioFiltre, which will give your micro-organisms the right environment to live in and develop.
Apply 10 g/100 L of nutritive solution. Add every 6 to 8 weeks.
Wherever they are, in a BioFiltre or directly in the substrate, the micro-organisms will happily thrive as long as their environment is oxygenated and humid. It is imperative, to guarantee a good development, to avoid all sudden changes, especially in temperature and pH levels. The more and happier your BMs are, the better your plants will be fed.
Important notice : a significant drop in pH is an alarm signal that indicates the death of a large quantity of micro-organisms. In this case, it is important to find the cause, treat it and replace with new BM.
BM and SubCulture are two different products. SubCulture is used to eliminate pathogens in the root zone, and help breakdown organic matter in the solution. BM is only used to breakdown organic matter. If you already use SubCulture, you do not need BM.
skunkd0c
Well-Known Member
also take a look at this, the guy from ghe who first discovered bioponics William Texier
http://urbangardenmagazine.com/2009/08/my-quest-for-bioponics/ interesting read
http://urbangardenmagazine.com/2009/08/my-quest-for-bioponics/ interesting read