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Obamacare: Freedom on life support
[FONT=Palatino,][SIZE=+1]Larry Elder: 'America is submitting to government tyranny'[/SIZE][/FONT]



[FONT=Palatino,]By Larry Elder[/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino,]Ignore, for the moment, the ludicrous claim that giving 30 million Americans health insurance actually lowers the cost of health care. What happened to freedom, to the opposition to an intrusive federal government? [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Ask a liberal what he most dislikes about the "right"? "I resent the attempt to tell me how to live my life," he'll say. He'll mention abortion and say the decision belongs to a woman and her doctor. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]He'll mention same-sex marriage and say that government should not prevent two people of the same sex from marrying, especially if one objects based upon religious grounds. He'll argue that a Supreme Court "stacked" with right-wingers threatens his liberty. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia gives liberals hot flashes. He is religious. He calls the Constitution a "contract," not a "living, breathing" document on which one can discover or project nonexistent rights. He is a "strict constructionist," or an "originalist," who believes that the literal words in the Constitution have meaning. He thinks his job is to figure out what the original framers meant, not what he would like them to have meant. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Ask a liberal how Scalia and those who share his "conservative" philosophy think the Supreme Court should decide issues like abortion, same-sex marriage and doctor-assisted suicide. He'll say, "Scalia would impose his religiously based worldview on society – anti-same-sex marriage and anti-abortion – because the federal government should always preserve life." [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]No, Scalia would not. In fact, Scalia has publicly said these issues are none of the court's business. He's said that however he feels personally about these contentious matters, the Constitution gives the court neither the authority nor the expertise to decide them – and such matters are ideally left to the states. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]This brings us to Obamacare. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]What words in the U.S. Constitution allow the federal government to compel every American to purchase health insurance? Where does the Constitution allow the federal government to take money from some Americans and give it to others so that they may purchase health insurance? [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Recall the anger at former President George W. Bush, who, to fight the war on terror, "trashed" and "shredded" the Constitution. The same people who railed against the Patriot Act, the terror surveillance program and "illegal" torture happily unleash the power of the federal government to redistribute wealth for Obamacare, a socially desirable objective. Never mind the absence of authority in the Constitution. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]The left tells us that "health care is a right, not a privilege." Surely the Constitution says so. No, it does not. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Article I, Section 8 details the limited power, duties and responsibilities of the federal government. Extracting money from your paycheck and giving it back to you when you retire – Social Security? Not there. Taxing workers to pay for the health care of seniors – Medicare? Not there. Mandating that employers pay workers a minimum wage? Not there. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]This is not hypothetical. During the Great Depression, the Supreme Court struck down much of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal on constitutional grounds. No, said the court, the federal government cannot use the Constitution's commerce clause to regulate virtually all economic activity. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]No, said the court, the federal government cannot use the welfare clause to redistribute wealth, whether or not it accomplishes a socially or economically desirable objective. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]The court asserted that the Constitution meant what it said and said what it meant. This infuriated FDR. He threatened to expand the number of court justices, adding jurists who saw the Constitution the way he did until he got the kind of decisions he wanted. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Intimidated, the court blinked. Actions by the federal government that the court once had deemed illegal suddenly became permissible. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]A liberal once asked me: "What should society do about the poor? Is your attitude 'just (expletive) them'?" I said: "Allow me to rephrase your question. Because of someone's plight, is he entitled to money from you?" "No," he said, "but it's the right thing to do." Yes, a moral, compassionate society cares for those who cannot care for themselves. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]This is, however, an entirely different matter from using the power of government to take from someone who has, to give to someone who doesn't. The Constitution does not provide that authority. Nor has it been amended to do so. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]What about the poor? Through economic freedom and competition, we make goods and services cheaper, better and more accessible. Health care is less affordable because of well-intentioned rules and regulations. When government officials go beyond passing laws to protect us against force or fraud, they raise costs and hurt the poor. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Finally, what of charity? Americans are the most generous people on Earth. The religious and those who believe in limited government are the most generous of all. By design, the federal government plays a limited role. The rest is up to us. Our country was founded in opposition to tyranny by government. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Today we submit to it.[/FONT]
 

Patrick Bateman

Active Member
Obamacare: Freedom on life support
[FONT=Palatino,][SIZE=+1]Larry Elder: 'America is submitting to government tyranny'[/SIZE][/FONT]



[FONT=Palatino,]By Larry Elder[/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino,]Ignore, for the moment, the ludicrous claim that giving 30 million Americans health insurance actually lowers the cost of health care. What happened to freedom, to the opposition to an intrusive federal government? [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Ask a liberal what he most dislikes about the "right"? "I resent the attempt to tell me how to live my life," he'll say. He'll mention abortion and say the decision belongs to a woman and her doctor. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]He'll mention same-sex marriage and say that government should not prevent two people of the same sex from marrying, especially if one objects based upon religious grounds. He'll argue that a Supreme Court "stacked" with right-wingers threatens his liberty. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia gives liberals hot flashes. He is religious. He calls the Constitution a "contract," not a "living, breathing" document on which one can discover or project nonexistent rights. He is a "strict constructionist," or an "originalist," who believes that the literal words in the Constitution have meaning. He thinks his job is to figure out what the original framers meant, not what he would like them to have meant. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Ask a liberal how Scalia and those who share his "conservative" philosophy think the Supreme Court should decide issues like abortion, same-sex marriage and doctor-assisted suicide. He'll say, "Scalia would impose his religiously based worldview on society – anti-same-sex marriage and anti-abortion – because the federal government should always preserve life." [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]No, Scalia would not. In fact, Scalia has publicly said these issues are none of the court's business. He's said that however he feels personally about these contentious matters, the Constitution gives the court neither the authority nor the expertise to decide them – and such matters are ideally left to the states. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]This brings us to Obamacare. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]What words in the U.S. Constitution allow the federal government to compel every American to purchase health insurance? Where does the Constitution allow the federal government to take money from some Americans and give it to others so that they may purchase health insurance? [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Recall the anger at former President George W. Bush, who, to fight the war on terror, "trashed" and "shredded" the Constitution. The same people who railed against the Patriot Act, the terror surveillance program and "illegal" torture happily unleash the power of the federal government to redistribute wealth for Obamacare, a socially desirable objective. Never mind the absence of authority in the Constitution. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]The left tells us that "health care is a right, not a privilege." Surely the Constitution says so. No, it does not. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Article I, Section 8 details the limited power, duties and responsibilities of the federal government. Extracting money from your paycheck and giving it back to you when you retire – Social Security? Not there. Taxing workers to pay for the health care of seniors – Medicare? Not there. Mandating that employers pay workers a minimum wage? Not there. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]This is not hypothetical. During the Great Depression, the Supreme Court struck down much of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal on constitutional grounds. No, said the court, the federal government cannot use the Constitution's commerce clause to regulate virtually all economic activity. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]No, said the court, the federal government cannot use the welfare clause to redistribute wealth, whether or not it accomplishes a socially or economically desirable objective. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]The court asserted that the Constitution meant what it said and said what it meant. This infuriated FDR. He threatened to expand the number of court justices, adding jurists who saw the Constitution the way he did until he got the kind of decisions he wanted. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Intimidated, the court blinked. Actions by the federal government that the court once had deemed illegal suddenly became permissible. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]A liberal once asked me: "What should society do about the poor? Is your attitude 'just (expletive) them'?" I said: "Allow me to rephrase your question. Because of someone's plight, is he entitled to money from you?" "No," he said, "but it's the right thing to do." Yes, a moral, compassionate society cares for those who cannot care for themselves. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]This is, however, an entirely different matter from using the power of government to take from someone who has, to give to someone who doesn't. The Constitution does not provide that authority. Nor has it been amended to do so. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]What about the poor? Through economic freedom and competition, we make goods and services cheaper, better and more accessible. Health care is less affordable because of well-intentioned rules and regulations. When government officials go beyond passing laws to protect us against force or fraud, they raise costs and hurt the poor. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Finally, what of charity? Americans are the most generous people on Earth. The religious and those who believe in limited government are the most generous of all. By design, the federal government plays a limited role. The rest is up to us. Our country was founded in opposition to tyranny by government. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino,]Today we submit to it.[/FONT]
First of all the amount of Hypotheticals in this article is staggering

You would die on a space mission

Better question, what words in the constitution make this bill unconstitutional?

Oh and last time I checked the poor in the United States weren't getting any richer

You conservative fucktards are really starting to get boring
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
Oh and last time I checked the poor in the United States weren't getting any richer
that's right. despite decades of government sponsored redistribution and the creation of a massive welfare state, the poor are with us still. it is only the size, power and scope of government itself that have expanded as the rolls of the dependent have grown.
 

Balzac89

Undercover Mod
Healthcare would be considered a Federal Mandate if you have not heard of it. Its called the Feds have complete power over states, always has and always will. States powers are just a part of checks and balances.
 

Balzac89

Undercover Mod
The more socialized a nation is the larger the government is. Is that not simple to understand. Obviously if more commerce is handled by the government than the bigger it would have to be. One more thing is socialism is good in the role that its only true role is to aid the people. We support the government and it supports us. Not the Corporations control us and thats about it. The government is used to reinforce everything.
 

Balzac89

Undercover Mod
Republicans support deregulation and smaller government. Yet it is exactly that, that caused the recession. You can thank Bush and not Obama for the hole we're in right now. If you take the time to learn the facts you will not look like a fool.
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
nothing to say?
why bother to once again respond to the childish notion that government is here to give us stuff? you obviously haven't yet figured out that government is merely an entity developed to allow us to live our lives for ourselves, so why argue with ignorance?
 

abe23

Active Member
There's no mention of air travel in the constitution either, so is it unconstitutional for the FAA to require aircraft to be registered and inspected?
 

Keenly2

Active Member
if your down with paying for a service you dont want, and cant opt out of

thats cool, im not supporting that
 

Mindmelted

Well-Known Member
Fine people who can not afford insurance in the first place makes a lot of sense.

I have to pay for something i do not want, How is that American!!!!!

Ga has told the govt to fuck off on the high risk pool...lol
 

Balzac89

Undercover Mod
why bother to once again respond to the childish notion that government is here to give us stuff? you obviously haven't yet figured out that government is merely an entity developed to allow us to live our lives for ourselves, so why argue with ignorance?
You make entirely no sense.
 

moobyghost

Active Member
I said news in quotes. What more do you want; for me to be blunt?

This is a tea partyish, extreme right wing, circle jerk of so called information, but at the end of the day, it is just dried and shriveled. (kinda like all the crusty old white people who run our country. lol.
 
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