Note to retirees - It is not your money...

NLXSK1

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People who are retiring or living off of social security like to say that it is *their* money. They believe they threw their cash into a big pot and they get to take it out now.

That is a lie.

The money that was put into the pot was stolen by the government and spent already.

The money they are getting paid multiple times over in return is being paid by the kid making minimum wage at McDonalds having 15% withheld from his paycheck.

Social Security is a ponzi scheme and until people realize that we are going to go right over a fiscal cliff that we cannot recover from due to blatant misconceptions over the government confiscation and wasting of taxpayers money.

There aint no money, the government already spent it all...
 

abandonconflict

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I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.
Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.
But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.
In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.
As we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating "For Whites Only". We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.
I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.
Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.
I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."
And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!
Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!
Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California!
But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!
Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!
Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
 

Ringsixty

Well-Known Member
People who are retiring or living off of social security like to say that it is *their* money. They believe they threw their cash into a big pot and they get to take it out now.

That is a lie.

The money that was put into the pot was stolen by the government and spent already.

The money they are getting paid multiple times over in return is being paid by the kid making minimum wage at McDonalds having 15% withheld from his paycheck.

Social Security is a ponzi scheme and until people realize that we are going to go right over a fiscal cliff that we cannot recover from due to blatant misconceptions over the government confiscation and wasting of taxpayers money.

There aint no money, the government already spent it all...
Governments Ponzi schemes are awesome.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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your sig doesnt even link to the thread retard.
here you go
did i color within the lines

Right, and as you constantly whine about me and my MO, all you have to do is stay out of my threads. Fuckin' nut case.

Fuck you, you stupid nigger loving gangster punk. That is nothing but a gutter feeding rap nigger calling out the word nigger every other beat. OK if a black spews the word, eh? That kind of bottom feeding noise does not belong in this forum and is a prime example of the character of you and your ShamWow losers.

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so hard to do your own homework . . .

not that it matters I predict you love discriminating terms like "niggers "in face of this kind of entertainment . . .black . .music

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ilikecheetoes

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why research when there's lackeys?
I find it strange that the debasement of their own culture is considered entertainment. But I guess I used to watch married with children...

i didnt watch the video. is it anything like pants on the ground? awesome tune.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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why research when there's lackeys?
I find it strange that the debasement of their own culture is considered entertainment. But I guess I used to watch married with children...

i didnt watch the video. is it anything like pants on the ground? awesome tune.
leave it to beaver . . . .

does that mean all white picket fence homes are white culture .. . . . .this is a sticky argument . . .. knwo where you stand . .

the melanin content of your skin is less of a judgement on your Morales and ethics then the size of your genitals . .. . . .

but lets take a step back in time to the ideas of yesterday . .
 

PurpleBuz

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There aint no money, the government already spent it all...

thats true, We should demand that the special bonds that are being held by social security fund be redeemed,
and the money returned to the fund for REAL investment OR returned to the contributors.

Except your wrong about it being a PONZI. The monies were not pyramidded. The monies were stolen with a big fat IOU so that the fund was not able to grow to meet future needs. Thats actually embezzelment isn't it ?
 

CrixMix

Member
Social Security is a ponzi scheme and until people realize that we are going to go right over a fiscal cliff that we cannot recover from due to blatant misconceptions over the government confiscation and wasting of taxpayers money.
There aint no money, the government already spent it all...
Who cares, spending that money made us top dog.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
thats true, We should demand that the special bonds that are being held by social security fund be redeemed,
and the money returned to the fund for REAL investment OR returned to the contributors.

Except your wrong about it being a PONZI. The monies were not pyramidded. The monies were stolen with a big fat IOU so that the fund was not able to grow to meet future needs. Thats actually embezzelment isn't it ?
The monies going into the fund are not being invested, they are being used to pay off previous "investors". It is the exact definition of a Ponzi Scheme except that everyone knows about it.

It can also fall under theft, embezzlement, fraud, etc.

We need to change public perception if we can ever hope to change the system. Otherwise, it will all collapse and the lib's will blame it on Bush...
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
People who are retiring or living off of social security like to say that it is *their* money. They believe they threw their cash into a big pot and they get to take it out now.

That is a lie.

The money that was put into the pot was stolen by the government and spent already.

The money they are getting paid multiple times over in return is being paid by the kid making minimum wage at McDonalds having 15% withheld from his paycheck.

Social Security is a ponzi scheme and until people realize that we are going to go right over a fiscal cliff that we cannot recover from due to blatant misconceptions over the government confiscation and wasting of taxpayers money.

There aint no money, the government already spent it all...
15%, eh?

that's almost like 6.2%, depending on what kind of delusions you are suffering from.

social security will be just fine for decades to come. we can raise the cap just slightly and have it be solvent forever.

keep crying, chicken little.
 

UncleBuck

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The monies going into the fund are not being invested, they are being used to pay off previous "investors". It is the exact definition of a Ponzi Scheme except that everyone knows about it.

It can also fall under theft, embezzlement, fraud, etc.

We need to change public perception if we can ever hope to change the system. Otherwise, it will all collapse and the lib's will blame it on Bush...
goddamn how i wish bush had privatized SS back in 2004 and then watched it all crash on his watch a few years later.
 

UncleBuck

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I find it strange that the debasement of their own culture is considered entertainment. But I guess I used to watch married with children...
married with children is a huge step up from getting hooked on smack, stealing from people, and going to prison to work for $0.30 an hour.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
15%, eh?

that's almost like 6.2%, depending on what kind of delusions you are suffering from.

social security will be just fine for decades to come. we can raise the cap just slightly and have it be solvent forever.

keep crying, chicken little.
Do you realize the employer has to match that? It is still your money even if you dont see the numbers printed on your paycheck... Although, since you have never employed anyone I am not surprised you are completely unaware of nearly everything...
 

UncleBuck

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Do you realize the employer has to match that? It is still your money even if you dont see the numbers printed on your paycheck... Although, since you have never employed anyone I am not surprised you are completely unaware of nearly everything...
so you're saying businesses would pass on that 6.2% match to employees rather than pocket it themselves?

you sound as deluded as ever.

6.2 + 6.2 = 12.4, which is still not 15%.*

lern 2 math, child.





*delusions be damned
 

Dr Kynes

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so you're saying businesses would pass on that 6.2% match to employees rather than pocket it themselves?

you sound as deluded as ever.

6.2 + 6.2 = 12.4, which is still not 15%.*

lern 2 math, child.





*delusions be damned
derp derp derp.

you think employers dont figure in the cost of social security matching when they decide whether or not to employ somebody?

they have to figure hourly wage + regulatory costs + training costs + mandated leave times etc.. vs expected productivity for THEIR bottom line. if the cost of hiring a person his higher than the expected return in productivity they will not hire him, or they reduce the wage paid to make the figure balance out.

you lefties cant seem to understand that simple idea.

businesses and employers are not in the business of hiring people as a charity, they must get a profit from every employee.

i guess thats too complicated for you to understand, but good show on the redirect of his accurate statement with your nit picking on the math, but you forgot medicare and other payroll taxes. thats how the number for entitlement taxes goes to 15%+

in california payroll taxes hover around 12%. (note: this is in ADDITION to the income withholding tax which you still insist is the actual tax)
every $100 in gross pay i make becomes $88 before the income tax withholding is applied, meaning they take 12% of my PRE-TAX GROSS to fund medicare, unemployment "insurance", Social Insecurity et al. and that doesnt even include the "matching" that my employer does, which IS part of my compensation, even if i never see it.
 

Rob Roy

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Socialism relies upon force and freedom of choice is not an option , in that way it is similar to slavery.
 

UncleBuck

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Socialism relies upon force and freedom of choice is not an option , in that way it is similar to slavery.
you poor slave.

did they also sell you away from your family when you were eight years old, never to see your parents again?

gain some fucking perspective you goddamn child.
 
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