New to organics, need help please.

Medicated Bonsai

Medicated Bonsai

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Hello everybody, i'm currently in my second grow and am growing in roots organic original. I plan to use the same soil with my next grow in seven gallon pots. Probably just 2 plants. I'm noticing that my plants are showing nitrogen deficiency around week 2-3 of flower. Is there anything I could amend with roots organic while my next set of plants veg out? It would probably be only a 1-2 month period so I don't know if the amendments would have enough time to break down or "cook".

Here is a rough list of dry amendments that I have :
Bone Meal
Blood Meal
Crush Oyster Shells
Crab Meal
Dolomite Lime
BioChar
Epsoma/Epsom Salt

Any advice would help, thanks guys.

EDIT :: I also have mykos and real growers recharge.
 
SPLFreak808

SPLFreak808

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Making a tea or watering with blood meal & a tiny bit of recharge should kick it back up again.

You can also split up your soil blends for veg & flower, that way you can up-pot a week or two before flip and not need to deal with early defs.
 
Medicated Bonsai

Medicated Bonsai

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SPLFreak808 said:
Making a tea or watering with blood meal & a tiny bit of recharge should kick it back up again.

You can also split up your soil blends for veg & flower, that way you can up-pot a week or two before flip and not need to deal with early defs.
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Thank you for the reply man. I'll have to transplant a little later on this next grow. For some reason, I always run into problems with solo cups. The seedlings seem to grow fine and start to droop like crazy once they hit their 3rd or 4th node.

I was thinking about feeding Dr. Earth's Flower Girl at 1/3 strength on the next feeding. I just wasn't sure if I'd be adding too much nitrogen since it's mid flower? It at day 42 now.

Also, would adding dry amendments to root's organic potting soil for my next grow be a bad idea? I see that a lot of people let their soil "cook" for a good period of time as the amendments need time to break down and balance out. I'm so impatient haha, are there certain amendments that are able to break down faster than others? It'd be nice if I could use root's organic as a base and add whatever else I can in there.
 
SPLFreak808

SPLFreak808

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Medicated Bonsai said:
Thank you for the reply man. I'll have to transplant a little later on this next grow. For some reason, I always run into problems with solo cups. The seedlings seem to grow fine and start to droop like crazy once they hit their 3rd or 4th node.

I was thinking about feeding Dr. Earth's Flower Girl at 1/3 strength on the next feeding. I just wasn't sure if I'd be adding too much nitrogen since it's mid flower? It at day 42 now.

Also, would adding dry amendments to root's organic potting soil for my next grow be a bad idea? I see that a lot of people let their soil "cook" for a good period of time as the amendments need time to break down and balance out. I'm so impatient haha, are there certain amendments that are able to break down faster than others? It'd be nice if I could use root's organic as a base and add whatever else I can in there.
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A solo cup is pretty small, at some point your plant is going to hit a brick wall and slow down because the soil can no longer work as fast due to the high root low soil ratio.

It would be extremly challenging to flower a plant in a solo cup without bottled nutes ect, you pretty much have to time your feed dead on every time.

In mid flower an excess N def should be dealt with, but sometimes you can ride it out if its not bad.

Flower girl is 3-9-3 yes? Thats too much P to correct N-def in early flower imho.

With my soil for veg, I dont worry too much as they dont eat as much but i do cook in at least some type of N and a very small amount of p&k for root growth & health, cooking for 2-4 weeks is good enough for my veg mix but with my flowering mix, I'll try to aim for no less than 4 weeks, I prefer 6 and its usually already cooking by the time i have sprouts.

Roots organic isn't pure coco right? I dont remember. If it is, i would be careful about what you add in to keep it in range.
 
Medicated Bonsai

Medicated Bonsai

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SPLFreak808 said:
A solo cup is pretty small, at some point your plant is going to hit a brick wall and slow down because the soil can no longer work as fast due to the high root low soil ratio.

It would be extremly challenging to flower a plant in a solo cup without bottled nutes ect, you pretty much have to time your feed dead on every time.

In mid flower an excess N def should be dealt with, but sometimes you can ride it out if its not bad.

Flower girl is 3-9-3 yes? Thats too much P to correct N-def in early flower imho.

With my soil for veg, I dont worry too much as they dont eat as much but i do cook in at least some type of N and a very small amount of p&k for root growth & health, cooking for 2-4 weeks is good enough for my veg mix but with my flowering mix, I'll try to aim for no less than 4 weeks, I prefer 6 and its usually already cooking by the time i have sprouts.

Roots organic isn't pure coco right? I dont remember. If it is, i would be careful about what you add in to keep it in range.
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coco/peatmoss yea. Man, I didn't even think about pH. I've just been treating it like soil up until now :wall:.

I would like to find a good potting mix that's soil based. This way I don't have to worry about pH as much. Any suggestions? I was planning to use premixed soil with no additional dry amendments for the veg. and i'll just have another pot for the flower cycle cooking as they grow. I usually have them in veg for at least 4-5 weeks before I flip so it sounds like it should be enough time for everything to settle.


Also, the lights just kicked on in my tent and here's what they look like. Before I fed them(2 days ago) they seemed fine, minus the discoloration from N deficiency. They were super perky and reachin for the light. Now they seem to be a little droopy. Especially the one on the left. I fed them 10mL seaweed extract, 2 tablespoons FoxFarm's Big Bloom, and 2.5g recharge per gallon of water each.
 

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Medicated Bonsai said:
coco/peatmoss yea. Man, I didn't even think about pH. I've just been treating it like soil up until now :wall:.

I would like to find a good potting mix that's soil based. This way I don't have to worry about pH as much. Any suggestions? I was planning to use premixed soil with no additional dry amendments for the veg. and i'll just have another pot for the flower cycle cooking as they grow. I usually have them in veg for at least 4-5 weeks before I flip so it sounds like it should be enough time for everything to settle.


Also, the lights just kicked on in my tent and here's what they look like. Before I fed them(2 days ago) they seemed fine, minus the discoloration from N deficiency. They were super perky and reachin for the light. Now they seem to be a little droopy. Especially the one on the left. I fed them 10mL seaweed extract, 2 tablespoons FoxFarm's Big Bloom, and 2.5g recharge per gallon of water each.
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Cooking a generous amount of organic matter into peat/coco can help shift it towards active soil and with the right buffers can widen your pH range.

I'm so far beyond with my mix i don't even remember everything but it started with something like recycled ocean Forrest/lw,peat,compost,ewc,vermiculite,perlite,langbenite,humic acid,dolomite lime,raw fish< careful with that,chicken manure,kelp,aloe,oyster shell flour,turkey manure,volcanic rock dust etc, i try to not go overboard with calcium as this has caused me issues with mag in the past, my water usually sits at 80-110ppm/7.5+ so it took me a couple runs to dial down the oyster shell,lime & rock dust.

If I had to do it again i would have skipped the vermiculite & raw fish.

It took me over a year until I got something i like, it was mostly a learning curve of what to add,how much,when to add them & how it affects overall pH,the book "teaming with microbes" got me started with my understanding of organics.

I normally use 3 gallon pots for short runners and get a really slow fade starting around week 6+, which is good enough for me.

If you need a potting mix asap, happy frog works great but im willing to bet others might have better suggestions.

Im in a bad area at the moment, trying to pull up your pics and I stare at a black screen that never loads lol, from your thumbnails though they look mag def but otherwise in decent health? Hard to see it on my phone so I dont want to throw a random conclusion.
 
Medicated Bonsai

Medicated Bonsai

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SPLFreak808 said:
Cooking a generous amount of organic matter into peat/coco can help shift it towards active soil and with the right buffers can widen your pH range.

I'm so far beyond with my mix i don't even remember everything but it started with something like recycled ocean Forrest/lw,peat,compost,ewc,vermiculite,perlite,langbenite,humic acid,dolomite lime,raw fish< careful with that,chicken manure,kelp,aloe,oyster shell flour,turkey manure,volcanic rock dust etc, i try to not go overboard with calcium as this has caused me issues with mag in the past, my water usually sits at 80-110ppm/7.5+ so it took me a couple runs to dial down the oyster shell,lime & rock dust.

If I had to do it again i would have skipped the vermiculite & raw fish.

It took me over a year until I got something i like, it was mostly a learning curve of what to add,how much,when to add them & how it affects overall pH,the book "teaming with microbes" got me started with my understanding of organics.

I normally use 3 gallon pots for short runners and get a really slow fade starting around week 6+, which is good enough for me.

If you need a potting mix asap, happy frog works great but im willing to bet others might have better suggestions.

Im in a bad area at the moment, trying to pull up your pics and I stare at a black screen that never loads lol, from your thumbnails though they look mag def but otherwise in decent health? Hard to see it on my phone so I dont want to throw a random conclusion.
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A lot of useful info here, thanks man. I think you could be right as it’s happening inbetween the veins and the discoloration seems to be in random spots of the plant. I thought watering in to molasses would help but it never did anything. I’ll try some botanicare CalMag next time.
 
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cbdandthc

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SPLFreak808 said:
Making a tea or watering with blood meal & a tiny bit of recharge should kick it back up again.

You can also split up your soil blends for veg & flower, that way you can up-pot a week or two before flip and not need to deal with early defs.
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I fully agree with that. It can give you a nice recharge
 
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