NEW SETUP Need opinions!!!

This would be my cloner....

Cloning System and growlight Hydroponics Hydro cloner - (eBay item 200150158160 end time Sep-13-07 20:03:45 PDT)

And this would be my drip setup

10 PLANT DRIP HYDROPONICS SYSTEM + HYDRO CD HYDROPONIC - (eBay item 200151452263 end time Sep-17-07 16:27:07 PDT)

orrrr maybe even this ebb and flow setup instead of the drip setup, which do you think is better???

EBB AND FLOW garden Dual chamber hydroponic hydroponics - (eBay item 200150128797 end time Sep-13-07 18:06:23 PDT)

The shit looks nicely priced and of decent quality....My mother for the clones would be in soil under its own light.

I would be using a 600 watt hps for the drip setup and the clones would go straight into 12/12 once under the 600 watt hps.

and this would be the nutes and everythign to go along with the setup...

Large Nutrient Kit $29.95 HYDROPONIC ! HYDROPONICS ! - (eBay item 200136168270 end time Sep-29-07 11:25:23 PDT)


LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK PLEASE!!!!

That will all work, I would say build your own but for those prices its like you are buying the lights and getting the hydroponics for free.

You should do just fine with that stuff. Good luck.

PlasmaRadio said:

That will all work, I would say build your own but for those prices its like you are buying the lights and getting the hydroponics for free.

You should do just fine with that stuff. Good luck.

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Yeah I figure the prices they have ont the stuff is easily worth the parts+labor. The cloner even comes with a light and reflector.

I found a 4 pack of 12" X 12" LED grow lights. Each one houses 225 LEDS so thats 900 leds total and each light uses only 16 WATTS!!! [SIZE=+1]For each 24 square foot area you will need[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] Four of our #[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]R[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]B[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]225 LED [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Red[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]/[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Blue[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] light panels[/SIZE]. just keep the light about 22 inches from the plants. These are definitely the lights I am going with NO HEAT EXTREMELY LOW POWER CONSUMPTION = undetectable lighting!!!!!

I would be really careful with those LED's, and that's coming from a person totally interested in them and wanting to do my next grow with a different sort of alternative lighting: cold cathodes.

I have researched a long time on eBay for appropriate lights, and the promises those guys make are ridiculous. How bright are those LED's you found? They'd better all be luxeons (and they don't make those at the "correct" red wavelength, 660nm. A higher light intensity would make up for that, but not at 22" away from the plants. LED's are great because of their lack of heat: I thought they should be as close as possible!?!

Good luck, though.

COLD CATHODES???? i HAVE THOSE IN MY COMPPUTER.

Wait, I thought cold cathodes couldn't produce whole spectrums. Besides, wouldnt they cost a hell of a lot more than fluoros.

They have white cold cathode lights, but no, they're not full spectrum. If you have followed the LED grows out there, you've noticed that white led's are for the most part avoided. Conventional wisdom, that being NASA experiments as well as other home grower's experience, shows that 90% red light, 10% blue light, with 660 nm being the peak of red chlorophyll absorption and 430-470 nm the blue peak (I have not heard which is better, or if it particularly matters). This will more than adequately provide the necessary energy for the vegitative stage.

If you saw my last post, then you noticed the light quantities I'm referring to with these cold cathode fluorescents was 1,200,000 cd/m2, 90% red (of unfortunately unknown wavelength; this may turn out to be a total lemon ) and 10% blue. I also have 3 3500 lumen cfl's that I can throw in, as well as some white cold cathodes. I'm going to attach (at least) 40 cathode lights to a 350 Watt pc power supply, using a mod tutorial to turn it all into one giant cathode driver. The lamps themselves draw remarkably little power, only 160 Watts. I will be ordering mylar, and making a reflector out of some left over counter top as a base, covering it with the mylar and sticking the tubes to that and maybe crafting some wings on the perimeter to direct a little more light straight down; the wiring and the power supply will sit on top.

I am hoping for a little advice, however, when it comes to the lights. Before I express my concerns, I wanted to emphasize that the comparisons of lumens to this kind of growing is hazardous. If conventional wisdom is based on measuring light intensity as lumens reflecting our eyes per area, then the wavelenths where our eyes see strongest, yellow and green, add greatly to the lumen count, unfortunately without adding overall to plant development; that's why the comparisons of 50K lumens with an hps are unworthy. The numbers are jacked up by light the plants aren't using, and efficiency is lost by wasting 75% on heat, or whatever the exact number is.

My fear is: have I somewhere missed something? If these lights are as bright as they say they are, and they lit up my entire entry way on half power, then they should be like led's on steroids.

I am also considering trying out 730 nm infrared lights at the end of the day to put the plants to sleep, and uv-b perhaps if it really adds to thc production during flowering.

Thanks for the response. Maybe I'll start a thread on this later.

I should also say that I am growing in soil for the moment (but am looking into hydro as that's how i'm wanting to set up my garden later) and will hopefully be growing scrog or some other training

oh, and I forgot to mention the cost: I payed about $150 for the whole setup.

mad scientist=clekstro