My tincture method

tincbro

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Hello!

First time poster. I made a tincture recently. I decarbed in oven, put my buds in everclear in a mason jar. Then I shook that shit out of that jar for 10 minutes. Then I filtered through a coffee filter. Then I evaporated the alcohol, scraped the rest and added it to MCT oil, which I heated on a low temp to help mix in what I scraped.

I love it. Works great. But now I’ve been reading about QWET and QUISO. So here is my question. Will QWET/QUISO make it more potent or just remove more undesirables like chlorophyll? If I am only doing tincture as edible, and I don’t mind taste of the chlorophyll that stays in after a “warm wash,” is there any benefit to me doing QUISO? Would I get more THC?
 
Quick Wash Ethanol, also know as QWET is one of the techniques commonly employed to extract oil from cannabis.
Here is skunk pharm’s QWET formula to produce an absolute using a 3 minute quick wash.
As most of our extracted oil goes into oral meds, we also decarboxylate ours. This process is based on the 252F curve shown in the attached graph.
The first question is why use a quick wash technique to extract the resins, instead of long soaks to extract as much resin as possible, or just boiling the material in alcohol to get the greatest amount of extracted material?
The answer to that is that because alcohol is a polar solvent that is soluble in water, the latter two techniques also extract the water solubles like chlorophyll and plant alkaloids, as well as the plant waxes and vegetable oil.
Even quick wash does to a lesser degree, but the added steps that we include here minimize pickup even further and we take additional steps to remove the impurities that we do pick up.
The first wash will usually extract 75 to 80%, leaving the balance for the second. The second extraction will be more sedative and less heady. If you use a hand microscope, you can easily see when the trichome heads are gone and the stalks look like wet fur.
You can also use the material for other extraction methods after it has dried. I have subsequently used BHO after the first QWET wash that yielded 16% oil by weight, and got 5% more pristine oil, or about 21.6% total.
A cured material QWET absolute is one of the most aromatic and tasty of the extraction methods and consistently gets high raves from the volunteer test panels, as well as the patients and students. Both from an efficacy, as well as a flavor standpoint.
The first step in the process is to get as much water as possible out of the material.
A fresh material QWET is possible, but this procedure is specifically for material that has been cured to about 15% water content, which is typical of cured material. 15% is a lot of water and the alcohol already has 5% in it, so unless we reduce the water content even further, we will be extracting a lot of water solubles.
We dry our cured material even further by spreading it on a cookie sheet and baking it in a 200F oven until just frangible when rolled between the finger and thumb.
If the material is prime bud, we break it up loosely by hand and extract from trim as is.
We never, ever, use a blender or coffee grinder to reduce material, because it produces a lot of ultra fine powder that makes it through conventional filters.
Next, while it is still warm, we seal the material in a jar, which we place in the freezer to tie up any remaining water as ice. We also put the 190 proof grain alcohol in the freezer.
When they have both stabilized at about 0ºF, pour the alcohol into the jar of plant material, so that it is at least an inch above the material, and shake it gently a few times to make sure everything is wet. Place back in the freezer.
Remove and gently shake twice more until the material has soaked for 3 minutes, and then dump it through a wire strainer to drain quickly. We set the strainer atop a fine mesh stainless French Chinoise strainer, or a stainless coffee filter can be used. Don't press on the material to extract more, but just let it drain.
Set the material aside to dry for a second extraction. We usually keep the two extractions separate, as they will have different properties, as does the third extraction using water.
After refreezing, the second extraction is done like the first, but when it is drained this time, the material is returned to the jar, which is then refilled with water and set aside.
Filter the extracted liquid.
We use either a #1 lab filter with a vacuum assist, or a simple coffee filter to further filter the solution, depending on the quantity we are processing.
Place that filtered liquid in a suitable container and set that container in an oil bath heated to 250F. We use bain marie and other stainless ware from a restaurant supply or a still, so as to recover the alcohol.
Make sure that the container is sitting on something that suspends it up off the bottom of the oil pot. I throw four jar lids in the bottom of my electric fondue pot and use it for that purpose.
Never trust the numbers on the dial and use a good thermometer to set temperatures. We use either a mercury lab thermometer, or a digital one. Good temperature control is key to the process.
That means the device that you use to control the oil temperature must have a narrow dead band, so that the temperature control is stable.
We paid about $60 for a Quisinart fondue pot that was designed to heat sensitive sauces like chocolate and has excellent control throughout its temperature range. We also have a couple of Revels, that are slightly larger and work well, plus cost only about $30, though they have a slightly larger dead band.
Some fry cookers have sensitive enough controls, but many deep fryers designed to primarily run at 375ºF, lack control sensitivity and have large dead bands at 250ºF.
Either boil or distill off the alcohol until the liquid is reduced to a pool of oil, with no large solvent bubbles.
We suck it out of the container using a 60ml syringe, and then filter it to 0.2 microns using a PTFE syringe filter, but a coffee filter or a #1 lab filter may be used.
Place in a suitable container for return to the oil bath and this time cook it until there are not only no large alcohol bubbles, but the production of small CO2 bubbles along the edge dramatically slows down, even when stirred with a bamboo skewer.
Since you have much less material, a smaller one may be used. At this point we put them in small stainless cups with their tare engraved on their sides or a Pyrex beaker. The smaller container reduces the surface area that will be coated with oil when we cook it down the last time and knowing the cups tare weight allows me to take it directly from the oil bath and place it on a scale after simply wiping the exterior.
Since we know the tare, we then know the extracted weight, and exactly how much other ingredients to add. Once adding those ingredients, we place the cup back in the oil bath, where we stir it until well mixed and then decant into its final container.
Since the added ingredients include things that lower the cannabis oils viscosity, very little is left as a film in that container.
If we plan to use the oil as is, without adding any other ingredients, we extract it from the container using the syringe, or a pipette, so as to not leave a streak of material in the vessel. After we have extracted all that I can using a syringe or pipette, we wash the container and pipette out with hot alcohol, and save the wash for the next run. Nothing is wasted or left behind.
In that vein, as a final step, and for a different product, we strain the water from the plant material, the same way we did the alcohol and cook it off exactly the same way. When the water is cooked off, we redissolve the remaining oleoresin in hot alcohol, and place it in the freezer for a couple of days, before filtering it. This time there will also be red waxy globs of insoluble material collected in the bottom of the jar.
Cook off the alcohol, and it produces an oil that is more sedative that either of the first two extractions.
 
Hello!

First time poster. I made a tincture recently. I decarbed in oven, put my buds in everclear in a mason jar. Then I shook that shit out of that jar for 10 minutes. Then I filtered through a coffee filter. Then I evaporated the alcohol, scraped the rest and added it to MCT oil, which I heated on a low temp to help mix in what I scraped.

I love it. Works great. But now I’ve been reading about QWET and QUISO. So here is my question. Will QWET/QUISO make it more potent or just remove more undesirables like chlorophyll? If I am only doing tincture as edible, and I don’t mind taste of the chlorophyll that stays in after a “warm wash,” is there any benefit to me doing QUISO? Would I get more THC?
Warmer temps and longer soak times make for more recovery.
So if you’re good with the flavor, you get more medicine running it warm.
 
Warmer temps and longer soak times make for more recovery.
So if you’re good with the flavor, you get more medicine running it warm.
I think the method you use depends on how you intend to consume the meds.
If it's for edibles, slow washes at room temps are preferable to get maximum yields.
If you're using this for making smokable extracts, cold(as in cryo cold) is needed to keep any water in the plant material frozen so the ethanol doesn't strip out the chlorophyll.
 
I think the method you use depends on how you intend to consume the meds.
If it's for edibles, slow washes at room temps are preferable to get maximum yields.
If you're using this for making smokable extracts, cold(as in cryo cold) is needed to keep any water in the plant material frozen so the ethanol doesn't strip out the chlorophyll.
I’ll take your word for it. I have little experience with alcohol, I’m a hexane guy
 
You could always do a fast wash and then do a seperate, longer wash so you get two concentrations of tincture
 
I avoid concentrated chlorophyll because it gives me serious gastric distress. Extracting below -50C allows longer soaks extracting the target elements in the trichomes, because it makes the longer chain molecules like C-55 chlorophyll more less soluble than the C-10 to C-22 molecules we covet. You can't extract more than what is there, so simply examine your spent material for residual intact trichome heads to determine your progress.
 
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