Lets Stop Immigration To Help Eliminate Unemployment And Raise The Standard Of Living
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beardo
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^^^Very low reading comprehension and poor critical thinking skills- Perfect example of why we should end the department of education- there wasting your money and failing us- Ron Paul 2012
dukeanthony
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Georgia has 9.1% Unemployment and A draconian law against Illegal Immigrants
Now farmers have no one to Pick their Feilds even for 12-18 an hour
Georgia Farmers lost Millions in un harvested crops
Now farmers have no one to Pick their Feilds even for 12-18 an hour
Georgia Farmers lost Millions in un harvested crops
beardo
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This is B.S. and what part of it is true is caused by the welfare state- and distorsion of the free market, farm subsidies and price controlls and foodstamps. If what you say is true, then without govt interference either they will pay more or people will work for less or people will go hungry and die and people who aren't lazy and stupid will prosper which is natural selection or evolution at it's finest.
dukeanthony
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They Paid more
They even tried forcing parolees to do the job
Crops rotted in the Feilds Asshole
Now go back to whatever white supremacist site you came from and tell them you are failing
They even tried forcing parolees to do the job
Crops rotted in the Feilds Asshole
Now go back to whatever white supremacist site you came from and tell them you are failing
beardo
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So your trying to tell me people would rather starve to death than work four or fourteen hours a day picking fruit- sounds like total propaganda bullshit- but if it's true then fuck em, I guess theirs allready plenty of fruit or theirs an alternitive to working- think theirs a critical part of the story being intentionally left out.
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CBS News)
WRAY, Ga., - One of the toughest laws yet to fight illegal immigration went into effect today in Georgia. A federal judge has temporarily blocked the most controversial provision - requiring police to check the immigration status of suspects who don't have proper identification.
But it is now a felony to use false documentation to apply for a job. CBS News correspondent Mark Strassmann says Georgia farmers have been anticipating this day, and the law is already having a big effect.
In south Georgia, it's a banner year for blackberries - but a bad year for berry farmer Gary Paulk.
"There's a lot of what appear to be good berries," Paulk said. "If we had the workers."
On one corner of this family farm, twenty acres of blackberries rot away.
"This is a healthy field. And it should have been picked," Paulk said. "But there's nobody here."
Despite economy, Americans don't want farm work
Too many Mexican and Guatemalan pickers this year stayed away. They're scared away by Georgia's new crackdown on illegal immigration.
Paulk said "they're scared they will be raided on the field."
Ignacia Martinez is here illegally. She stayed, but her husband left to work farms in Washington state. They wanted to avoid any chance they'd both get arrested.
"Please leave us here," she said. "Please have some consideration with us. We're not here to harm anybody."
She's one of 200 workers picking Paulk's berries. He needs 100 more.
Money doesn't grow on trees, but it does fall from these bushes. Unpicked blackberries - for this farm, is a loss of $10,000 an acre - $200,000 in all.
Supporters of Georgia's new immigration law argued legal workers should be easy to find in a state where the unemployment rate's almost ten percent. But farmers like Paulk know most Americans want no part of picking blackberries. It's hot, back-breaking work, for $12 an hour.
Becky Musgrove started picking two weeks ago. "Sometimes I'm lazy when it's real, real hot, I don't come back in the afternoons. And that's bad to say."
"It's hard labor. And the work force is not here in America. So where's it gonna come from?" Paulk asks. "My grand-parents and my great-great-parents are buried just on that hill, a few miles from here. And I'd hate for Gary Paulk to be the one who buried the farm."
Paulk's farm faces a bigger crisis: too few hands to pick 600 acres of grapes ready for harvest next month.
We wanted to know more about how Georgia's immigration law came about. The governor's office told us today the state had to impose the law in its own defense. The state estimates illegal immigrants cost Georgia taxpayers more than $2 billion a year. Most of that to pay for the schooling and medical bills of their children.
dukeanthony
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Georgia Republicans recently passed a very harsh anti-immigrant measure into law, successfully driving a lot of undocumented workers out of the state. Republicans who championed the measure said the new law would improve Georgia’s economy.
As Jay Bookman explained, now they’re saying something different.
The resulting manpower shortage has forced state farmers to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they’ve done to Georgia’s largest industry.Barely a month ago, you might recall, Gov. Nathan Deal welcomed the TV cameras into his office as he proudly signed HB 87 into law. Two weeks later, with farmers howling, a scrambling Deal was forced to order a hasty investigation into the impact of the law he had just signed, as if all this had come as quite a surprise to him.
The results of that investigation have now been released. According to survey of 230 Georgia farmers conducted by Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black, farmers expect to need more than 11,000 workers at some point over the rest of the season, a number that probably underestimates the real need, since not every farmer in the state responded to the survey.
The largest industry in the state, and arguably the most important to the state’s economy, suddenly can’t function the way it should. Republicans were warned this might be a problem, but they approved their anti-immigrant proposal anyway, and no doubt felt awfully good about themselves for being “tough” on illegal immigration.
That the state’s economy will suffer as a consequence apparently never occurred to them, despite the warnings from the agricultural industry.
Deal, the freshman far-right governor who was elected despite extensive financial difficulties and failed business ventures, isn’t quite sure what to do now.
The pain this is causing is real. People are going to lose their crops, and in some cases their farms. The small-town businesses that supply those farms with goods and services are going to suffer as well. For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.In fact, with a federal court challenge filed last week, you have to wonder whether state officials aren’t secretly hoping to be rescued from this mess by the intervention of a judge. But given how the Georgia law is drafted and how the Supreme Court ruled in a recent case out of Arizona, I don’t think that’s likely.
We’re going to reap what we have sown, even if the farmers can’t.
I often wonder what Republicans would do if they thought through the consequences of their own policies. I’m afraid we’ll never know.
As Jay Bookman explained, now they’re saying something different.
The resulting manpower shortage has forced state farmers to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they’ve done to Georgia’s largest industry.Barely a month ago, you might recall, Gov. Nathan Deal welcomed the TV cameras into his office as he proudly signed HB 87 into law. Two weeks later, with farmers howling, a scrambling Deal was forced to order a hasty investigation into the impact of the law he had just signed, as if all this had come as quite a surprise to him.
The results of that investigation have now been released. According to survey of 230 Georgia farmers conducted by Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black, farmers expect to need more than 11,000 workers at some point over the rest of the season, a number that probably underestimates the real need, since not every farmer in the state responded to the survey.
The largest industry in the state, and arguably the most important to the state’s economy, suddenly can’t function the way it should. Republicans were warned this might be a problem, but they approved their anti-immigrant proposal anyway, and no doubt felt awfully good about themselves for being “tough” on illegal immigration.
That the state’s economy will suffer as a consequence apparently never occurred to them, despite the warnings from the agricultural industry.
Deal, the freshman far-right governor who was elected despite extensive financial difficulties and failed business ventures, isn’t quite sure what to do now.
The pain this is causing is real. People are going to lose their crops, and in some cases their farms. The small-town businesses that supply those farms with goods and services are going to suffer as well. For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.In fact, with a federal court challenge filed last week, you have to wonder whether state officials aren’t secretly hoping to be rescued from this mess by the intervention of a judge. But given how the Georgia law is drafted and how the Supreme Court ruled in a recent case out of Arizona, I don’t think that’s likely.
We’re going to reap what we have sown, even if the farmers can’t.
I often wonder what Republicans would do if they thought through the consequences of their own policies. I’m afraid we’ll never know.
dukeanthony
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In Georgia, farmers have almost everything they need for a successful early harvest, as squash, peppers and peaches are ready for market. But one thing's missing: someone to pick them. Fruit and vegetable farmers blame the state's new immigration reform law, saying it's keeping migrant workers away.
In a Newscast report, Melissa Stiers of Georgia Public Broadcasting spoke to Steven Johnson of South Georgia Produce, who says his crop is ripe on the ground — but there aren't enough people to pick it:
NPR's Kathy Lohr reported on the new law's possible effects earlier this week. Farm owners have grown increasingly vocal about the shortage of workers, and the state's labor and agriculture agencies are looking for ways to address the situation.
Writing for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Jeremy Redmon reports that the farm jobs "pay $12.50 an hour on average. The state's unemployment rate is now at 9.9 percent."
Agriculture is Georgia's largest industry, bringing in $1.1 billion, according to Redmon. He also spoke with Manuel De La Rosa, a recruiter who brings workers to a farm in southwest Georgia.
"He said these workers became afraid after they heard Hispanic television news programs comparing Georgia's new law to a stringent one Arizona enacted last year," Redmon writes.
In Kathy Lohr's report, she spoke to R.T. Stanley Jr., a farmer who says he can't hire locals to do the job:
In a Newscast report, Melissa Stiers of Georgia Public Broadcasting spoke to Steven Johnson of South Georgia Produce, who says his crop is ripe on the ground — but there aren't enough people to pick it:
"We're probably at 30 percent of boxes of produce that we would normally get in the spring season," he says. "And it's there in front of you to be got, and the markets are good, and you can't get it. It's very frustrating. "
Johnson says the farmers can't find the labor, as workers who normally come up from Florida are afraid to come across the state line because of the new immigration reform law the governor recently signed.
Georgia's new law, which takes effect in July, authorizes police to check the citizenship status of anyone pulled over for an offense. It also requires employers to use a federal database to check the legality of new hires. The law has been compared to one in Arizona, which was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court Thursday.Johnson says the farmers can't find the labor, as workers who normally come up from Florida are afraid to come across the state line because of the new immigration reform law the governor recently signed.
NPR's Kathy Lohr reported on the new law's possible effects earlier this week. Farm owners have grown increasingly vocal about the shortage of workers, and the state's labor and agriculture agencies are looking for ways to address the situation.
Writing for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Jeremy Redmon reports that the farm jobs "pay $12.50 an hour on average. The state's unemployment rate is now at 9.9 percent."
Agriculture is Georgia's largest industry, bringing in $1.1 billion, according to Redmon. He also spoke with Manuel De La Rosa, a recruiter who brings workers to a farm in southwest Georgia.
"He said these workers became afraid after they heard Hispanic television news programs comparing Georgia's new law to a stringent one Arizona enacted last year," Redmon writes.
In Kathy Lohr's report, she spoke to R.T. Stanley Jr., a farmer who says he can't hire locals to do the job:
Stanley says experienced workers can earn as much as $200 a day. He says he's tried to hire locals to do the job — working in the fields eight hours or more clipping, bending and lifting in the oppressive Georgia heat.
"They just don't want to do this hard work. And they'll tell you right quick," he says. "I have 'em to come out and work for two hours and they said, 'I'm not doing this. It's too hard.' "
For Stanley, finding workers is already tough enough and he says the new restrictions are likely to make it worse.
"I got my livelihood on the line," he says. "If I don't harvest these onions, I'll lose my farm."
"They just don't want to do this hard work. And they'll tell you right quick," he says. "I have 'em to come out and work for two hours and they said, 'I'm not doing this. It's too hard.' "
For Stanley, finding workers is already tough enough and he says the new restrictions are likely to make it worse.
"I got my livelihood on the line," he says. "If I don't harvest these onions, I'll lose my farm."
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Jay Bookman
Ga’s farm-labor crisis playing out as planned
7:22 am June 17, 2011, by Jay
NOTE: This post includes substantial material published earlier on this blog. It is published here as the electronic version of today’s AJC column.
After enacting House Bill 87, a law designed to drive illegal immigrants out of Georgia, state officials appear shocked to discover that HB 87 is, well, driving a lot of illegal immigrants out of Georgia.
It might be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Thanks to the resulting labor shortage, Georgia farmers have been forced to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions, melons and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they’ve done to Georgia’s largest industry.
Barely a month ago, you might recall, Gov. Nathan Deal welcomed the TV cameras into his office as he proudly signed HB 87 into law. Two weeks later, with farmers howling, a scrambling Deal ordered a hasty investigation into the impact of the law he had just signed, as if all this had come as quite a surprise to him.
The results of that investigation have now been released. According to survey of 230 Georgia farmers conducted by Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black, farmers expect to need more than 11,000 workers at some point over the rest of the season, a number that probably underestimates the real need, since not every farmer in the state responded to the survey.
In response, Deal proposes that farmers try to hire the 2,000 unemployed criminal probationers estimated to live in southwest Georgia. Somehow, I suspect that would not be a partnership made in heaven for either party.
As an editorial in the Valdosta Daily Times notes, “Maybe this should have been prepared for, with farmers’ input. Maybe the state should have discussed the ramifications with those directly affected. Maybe the immigration issue is not as easy as ’send them home,’ but is a far more complex one in that maybe Georgia needs them, relies on them, and cannot successfully support the state’s No. 1 economic engine without them.”
According to the survey, more than 6,300 of the unclaimed jobs pay an hourly wage of just $7.25 to $8.99, or an average of roughly $8 an hour. Over a 40-hour work week in the South Georgia sun, that’s $320 a week, before taxes, although most workers probably put in considerably longer hours. Another 3,200 jobs pay $9 to $11 an hour. And while our agriculture commissioner has been quoted as saying Georgia farms provide “$12, $13, $14, $16, $18-an-hour jobs,” the survey reported just 169 openings out of more than 11,000 that pay $16 or more.
In addition, few of the jobs include benefits — only 7.7 percent offer health insurance, and barely a third are even covered by workers compensation. And the truth is that even if all 2,000 probationers in the region agreed to work at those rates and stuck it out — a highly unlikely event, to put it mildly — it wouldn’t fix the problem.
Given all that, Deal’s pledge to find “viable and law-abiding solutions” to the problem that he helped create seems naively far-fetched. Again, if such solutions existed, they should have been put in place before the bill ever became law, because this impact was entirely predictable and in fact intended.
It’s hard to envision a way out of this. Georgia farmers could try to solve the manpower shortage by offering higher wages, but that would create an entirely different set of problems. If they raise wages by a third to a half, which is probably what it would take, they would drive up their operating costs and put themselves at a severe price disadvantage against competitors in states without such tough immigration laws. That’s one of the major disadvantages of trying to implement immigration reform state by state, rather than all at once.
The pain this is causing is real. People are going to lose their crops, and in some cases their farms. The small-town businesses that supply those farms with goods and services are going to suffer as well. For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.
In fact, with a federal court challenge filed last week, you have to wonder whether state officials aren’t secretly hoping to be rescued from this mess by the intervention of a judge. But given how the Georgia law is drafted and how the Supreme Court ruled in a recent case out of Arizona, I don’t think that’s likely.
We’re going to reap what we have sown, even if the farmers can’t.
dukeanthony
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THE BEST ONE
LOLOLOLOL
The first batch of probationers started work last week at a farm owned by Dick Minor, president of the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association. In the coming days, more farmers could join the program.
So far, the experiment at Minor's farm is yielding mixed results. On the first two days, all the probationers quit by mid-afternoon, said Mendez, one of two crew leaders at Minor's farm.
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The first batch of probationers started work last week at a farm owned by Dick Minor, president of the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association. In the coming days, more farmers could join the program.
So far, the experiment at Minor's farm is yielding mixed results. On the first two days, all the probationers quit by mid-afternoon, said Mendez, one of two crew leaders at Minor's farm.
dukeanthony
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bUT bEARDO the neo Nazi White pride guy
Says Bullshit. People will do those jobs
Well apparently You cant even force those on Probation to do the work
splifchris
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Is this the rasists thread??
dukeanthony
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Why are you and your skinhead buddies going to pick the feilds?
hazorazo
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Does not seem like Beardo does a lot of research, does it? Also, Dukeanthony was spot on with his first post. And then you used "there" instead of the possessive "their". I would say your parents failed you, and unfortunately, your teachers did not FAIL you in class. Probably a result of Republican's No Child Left Behind.....even if he is behind....lol.
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
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Duke is Right,,,Georgia lost a shitload,,,I was in the farming area's,,,and I seen all the buses's sitting in a parking lot to transfere all the "migrant worker's",,,old ass school buses with no window's falling apart that should have been scraped or never be put on the road.,,,No one born in "America",,,would ever get on that bus no matter how much they pay!!!! I see it all the time There taking job's away,,,They should if we cant take care of ourself,,,They bust there ass harder than any one else complaning about the problem,,,Lazy ass American's would not do them job's,,,because I know I'm not Lazy but,,,Nor me or you would not last a day in the field's!
Kinnda like the "Black slave's of the day",,,Now the Black's down there are managing the the field's instead of working them.,,,Not being racist here but it is true,,,Just a lack of compassion in the fields or lack of understanding how important they are?
Kinnda like the "Black slave's of the day",,,Now the Black's down there are managing the the field's instead of working them.,,,Not being racist here but it is true,,,Just a lack of compassion in the fields or lack of understanding how important they are?