LEC - Light-Emitting Ceramic

potroastV2

potroastV2

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Here's a thread about some "other lighting" than LED.

Phillips has a new lamp and fixture to replace the Ceramic Metal-Halide. It comes in 315 watts, and supposedly replaces a 600w or more. The PAR and UV output are better, and I've heard that there is very little heat produced. It also has a CRI of 92.

I haven't used one, but a friend is using several now. I think I would spend $600 on one of these before I spent the same amount on an LED fixture.

I was wondering if anyone here is using them, or if you have an opinion about them.


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bicit

bicit

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They work well. 600w replacement is pushing it, depends on the space. A few member her have used them to great result.

I still think the optic grow lights is a better value. Saves money on buying new bulbs every year.

ETA: ICmag has a huge thread dedicated to the CMH bulbs. Including the 860w allstart. I'd check that out as well since there are a lot of people using them.
 
vostok

vostok

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its no accident this phallus is the same size as my ......
from amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Elite-4200K-Master-315-watt/dp/B00HXOJ0UC for $74.00 less post
or plus $95. at your grow store: http://growershouse.com/philips-mastercolor-elite-315w-lamp-t12-3100-k

Philips Elite Agro 315W T12 Ceramic Metal Halide Lamp 3100k is a flowering, budding spectrum lamp designed for maximum efficiency. This Philips CMH is the bulb that comes with the Sun System Ceramic MH 120 and 240v fixture.

Details
Philips Elite Agro 315W T12 Lamp provides a compact and efficient metal halide solution for the horticulture market. This lamp, combined with the efficient ballast, provides outstanding growth light performance over the life of the product.

Superior color quality. Crisp white light. Very High 1.95 PPF per second light source. 3100k color temperature, High 92cri, 33,000 initial lumens (105Lm/W). High 90% lumen maintenance at 8,000 hr / High 85% PPF maintenance at 20,000 hr. Unique Open Rated Lamp construction reduces radiant heat from the arc tube and is suitable for open fixture use.

General Characteristics
Full product name: Mastercolor CDM-T Elite 315W T12 CL Agro P Short product name: CDM ELITE 315W/T12/AGRO
Watts: 315W
Lamp Voltage: 98 V
Lamp Current EL: 3.15 A
Avg. Hrs. Life: 20000 hr
Color Temperature: 3100K
Initial Lumens: 33000 Lm
Energy Efficiency Label (EEL) A+
Energy consumption kWh/1000h: 315 kWh
 
bicit

bicit

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theexpress said:
It's a rip off a magnetic ballast to hps will ignite a cmh bulb that you can find on any number of lighting sites for cheap as Shit. It looks cool though esp the reflector. Fuck them for 600$ that can buy you 3 1000 watters on eBay
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A high frequency hps ballast would rattle the lamp to pieces in the long term. You can get a better deal on just the lamp and ballast from advanced tech lighting.
 
theexpress

theexpress

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bicit said:
A high frequency hps ballast would rattle the lamp to pieces in the long term. You can get a better deal on just the lamp and ballast from advanced tech lighting.
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You can have a 400 watt cmh light kit for cheap like I said a magnetic hps ballast only will light up a cmh bulb of equal watts. Never noticed any rattling to death
 
theexpress

theexpress

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genuity said:
Faster flower onset,better resinous oils,yes on the les stretching/more node growth..
That was like my 3rd run with them clones,under that lil 315 she gave me....I think 12 zips
I'll have to make sure.
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Nice never used those but have other cmh it looks like it's reflector and bulb position is the key . So it yielded a bot 75% of a 600 watt hps then if you got 12 zips
 
genuity

genuity

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theexpress said:
Nice never used those but have other cmh it looks like it's reflector and bulb position is the key . So it yielded a bot 75% of a 600 watt hps then if you got 12 zips
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Yeah,and that was just water and neptunes harvest/tea...and very rich medium
They could have went longer(chopped at 9 weeks I think).
 
heckler73

heckler73

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Opinion?
It's a bulb...plenty of orange, yellow and green.
It won't be used in space.

However, if I were interested in using bulbs again, I'd consider it over HPS.
 
bicit

bicit

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theexpress said:
You can have a 400 watt cmh light kit for cheap like I said a magnetic hps ballast only will light up a cmh bulb of equal watts. Never noticed any rattling to death
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Link to the bulb your talking about? The all start and retro white cmh bulbs can use a magnetic hps ballast, the mastercolor used in the sunsystem lec require a low frequency ballast.
 
theexpress

theexpress

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bicit said:
Link to the bulb your talking about? The all start and retro white cmh bulbs can use a magnetic hps ballast, the mastercolor used in the sunsystem lec require a low frequency ballast.
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I'm online threw phone you can do your own research... If your gonna call me a liar you should just do it now so you can look stupid later.
 
bicit

bicit

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theexpress said:
I'm online threw phone you can do your own research... If your gonna call me a liar you should just do it now so you can look stupid later.
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Not calling you a liar but not all cmh bulbs are the same... I'd like to know which series of bulbs you're talking about specifically
 
theexpress

theexpress

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bicit said:
They work well. 600w replacement is pushing it, depends on the space. A few member her have used them to great result.

I still think the optic grow lights is a better value. Saves money on buying new bulbs every year.

ETA: ICmag has a huge thread dedicated to the CMH bulbs. Including the 860w allstart. I'd check that out as well since there are a lot of people using them.
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Just looked up that 125$ 860 all start and it also requires a magnetic ballast ;)
 
theexpress

theexpress

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bicit said:
The philips allstart series is not the same as the philips cdm master color series.
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Lmao at u... What makes thatPhillips so much better then a 20$ cmh 400 watt bulb with higher wattage longer life and higher lumens and is one fifth the price? Your telling me that I can't put that 315 watt expensive as he'll cmh light in a 400 watt hps magnetic ballast like any other cmh bulb would? Shit then Fuck that bulb it's already at a disadvantage with me
 
vitamin_green_inc

vitamin_green_inc

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This is why I can't stand RIU sometimes, so many trolls....seriously! Do some freaking research. Thank you to @rollitup for introducing this thread. @genuity and @GroErr have these lights and are doing VERY well, with almost half the wattage used and less heat. I believe @dbkick has some of these lights as well.

If people would do research, there is a HUGE thread on ICMAG about this topic, with several commercial growers/at home growers using them with amazing results.

420mag just started a topic recently about it.

THCfarmer has many members and a long thread about it as well. This tech seems legit, basically a HPS that is flower spectrum and therefor 4-60% more efficient....it IS NOT a regular CMH bulb y'all, it's a brand new tech.

I was hoping there would be some wholesale discounts or something in this thread lol.

Cliff Notes from my research/post from documented sources:
More resinous buds
Better spread than LED
40-60% more efficient than HPS
Plants finish 1-2 weeks early, and i have seen several sources say this is true coming from LeD background which is already quicker!
Half the wattage of HPS
Ability to grow over 1.3 GPW
5-10 degree Fahrenheit than hotter thanLED=way cooler than your HPS
Cheaper $ than LED
Lower cost than HPS; these run about 3-4 amps so about half the power?

Someone get some of these wholesale for real, I will take a couple!
 
bicit

bicit

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theexpress said:
Lmao at u... What makes thatPhillips so much better then a 20$ cmh 400 watt bulb with higher wattage longer life and higher lumens and is one fifth the price? Your telling me that I can't put that 315 watt expensive as he'll cmh light in a 400 watt hps magnetic ballast like any other cmh bulb would? Shit then Fuck that bulb it's already at a disadvantage with me
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Be that as it may, it's not a good idea to mislead people into thinking they can just plug one into a standard ballast. it doesn't work.

I agree though, its a lot of money to spend, but the results are very good
 
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