If they can make a cabbage produce scorpion venom, surely they can make a plant...

http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/photos/12-bizarre-examples-of-genetic-engineering/venomous-cabbage

That's an example of GM foods, a cabbage that now has a dna strand from a scorpion to kill bugs that try to eat it. Surely if they can do that it's possible to have a plan such as the cabbage produce THC and cbd?

I think tomato plants would be preferable though!

LOL Thats pretty crazy!

if they would just grow one that eats mites and gnats and mildew id be happy. i can handle the thc myself.

It is a case of who would pay for the lengthy experimental development. could run into millions $£$.

i think its a road we really shouldnt be going down. do you really want to be eating scorpion venom? sure they say it has been modified so its not toxic to humans, but im sure there arent enough legitimate studies yet to back that up. Down with Monsanto and the others.

(Waiting for the unwashed masses to come in and claim that GMO causes cancer)

Trousers said:

(Waiting for the unwashed masses to come in and claim that GMO causes cancer)

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I don't think there's been enough time and testing with GMO to make valid claims one way or the other. Personally my feeling is that genetic selection takes care of itself, and there's no need for humans to intentionally manipulate or accelerate the process artificially.

PJ Diaz said:

I don't think there's been enough time and testing with GMO to make valid claims one way or the other. Personally my feeling is that genetic selection takes care of itself, and there's no need for humans to intentionally manipulate or accelerate the process artificially.

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I am going to go ahead and feel good about making the claim that GMO foods do not cause cancer.
Science will back me up and stupid people will get mad.

Trousers said:

I am going to go ahead and feel good about making the claim that GMO foods do not cause cancer.
Science will back me up and stupid people will get mad.

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I'm going to go ahead and feel good too, but not for either of the two reasons you've shared.

I am totally excited about GMO...I can see it now...trichomes the size of thumbs with customized cannabinoid ratios for the perfect high for you..this is so exciting...and trousers I agree...but they forget that cancer is 60-70% genetic... you must be genetically predisposed to most carcinogens for them to activate...other than extreme radiation and chemical immersions which also alter the chromosome

How long have genetically engineered foods been on the market?
A: The first in the United States was the Flavr Savr tomato in 1994.

In the United States today a huge proportion of the most commonly grown commodity crops are genetically engineered: 95% of the nation's sugar beets, 94% of the soybeans, 90% of the cotton and 88% of the feed corn, according to the 2011 International Service for the Acquisition of Agri-biotech Applications report.
About 90% of the papaya grown in the United States, all in Hawaii, has been genetically engineered to allow it to withstand the ringspot virus, which virtually wiped out papaya production in the islands in the 1980s.

Kite High said:

I am totally excited about GMO...I can see it now...trichomes the size of thumbs with customized cannabinoid ratios for the perfect high for you..this is so exciting...and trousers I agree...but they forget that cancer is 60-70% genetic... you must be genetically predisposed to most carcinogens for them to activate...other than extreme radiation and chemical immersions which also alter the chromosome

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My grandfather was a scientist who got leukemia even though the process and materials he was working with at the time were deemed safe. The world was once flat. Truths change over time, and natural consequences often follow them up. In my opinion natural selection is working quite well on it's own. Sure, GMO crops could be exciting, but I could also say the same of a Fleshlight. I'm doing fine without the Fleshlight and I'm also doing fine without the GMO crops. KISS

because he inherited that gene bro.....

each their own but almost all you eat is gmo bro

the meat too

Kite High said:

because he inherited that gene bro.....

each their own but almost all you eat is gmo bro

the meat too

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I agree that he had the gene to make him predisposed. Regardless at the time the radiation he was working around was deemed safe for everyone. Also, you're wrong about most of what I eat being GMO because I make an effort to buy as much certified organic as I can afford to feed my family, which the US prohibits as being GMO. Kite, you know that I respect you, but please don't assume that you know my specific situation and argue based on those assumptions.

The ironic part is that my grandfather died from appendicitis while in the hospital being treated for the leukemia. This was before I was born, so we can't blame the GMO.

Wasn't trying to offend as I also like and respect you. I grow alot of what I eat and I do it simply cause it tastes better than what I buy. You have your reasonings for avoiding GMO and I have my reasons for embracing it. If the damned republicans and religious zealots would shut the hell up we could have cured most things by now with stem cells. And gene splicing as well.

So how's the grow going bro?

Right on. Don't worry I'm not offended. I'm really not easily offended, just easily annoyed, lol.

To be honest I could kind of care less for myself, but I have young kids and they can't choose what to put in their bodies -- I choose what gets put in their plates. So, while GMO could be amazing I'll stick with the old school long time tried and true methods of organic food for their little bellies and minds. Once they are old enough to make their own decisions and can pay for their own meals, the choice is theirs. However I'll be dammed if I feel like shit in 20 years IF (by the longshot) that one of my children gets some crazy debilitation due to my untested choices of what I fed them as youngsters. That's not to say that my plan or any plan is perfect, but I do feel that it's appropriately precautionary for the lives of my children who are too young to choose for themselves.

Anyway, the grow these days is OK. Been trying out the 400w CMH in place of 600w HPS, and the results while OK aren't really as spectacular as I was hoping for. The issue mainly is that I had hoped to keep the same yield with the 400w CMH as the 600w HPS, but I think I need to have the reflector closer, which then gives me a smaller footprint of light. I dunno, I keep thinking about switching back to the 600 hps, but want to give this thing a good 'nother run before I decide. I also like the idea of not using as much power, but not likeing the idea of not as much yield. Also, just switched from coco/perlite with chem nutes back to an organic (mostly) grow with peatmoss and work castings added in with the coco/perlite. That switch is actually going very well along with my hard water issues, at least so far..

Hope all is well with you. Sorry to come off pissy.

Bro we too tight for that.


Got 4 c99's flipping to 12/12 tonight. Going good on 3 one is a finicky pia...lol
Really love uvb and co2. Really glad I went that route.

Did ya ever get around to testing PL Deeps? I love them!! Really uniform spread and intense light as well.

I am a soiless peat chem nute freak.

So I cant wait for 10 weeks from now...sweet cindy tripping

PJ Diaz said:

I don't think there's been enough time and testing with GMO to make valid claims one way or the other. Personally my feeling is that genetic selection takes care of itself, and there's no need for humans to intentionally manipulate or accelerate the process artificially.

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If Homo Sapiens had held to your tenet we would all be migrating, tribal, hunter gatherers following the seasons to survive...FWIW

Natural Gas said:

If Homo Sapiens had held to your tenet we would all be migrating, tribal, hunter gatherers following the seasons to survive...FWIW

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Call me a neanderthal if you like, but I kinda wouldn't mind that to be honest. And to be fair if we had kept to the same tenet, there wouldn't be many of the world issues that we face and our children face as a society both today and tomorrow.

Interesting tangent! lol but my initial point was

If someone designed a plant that had the effect of cannabis, looked similar when dried up, yielded well and looked different while growing... looked like a tomato for example. Id say that would possibly be worth investing a million or so because buyers would lap them up!