How big should pots be for plants?

Gr33nCrack

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How tall can plants grow per gallon of soil. I've heard you only need 1/2 gallon per foot, but i just saw a video that said yous a gallon per foot. I have several 5 gallon pots which i am about to fill with seedlings, will they grow maxium height in these or would 10 gallon pots make them a lot bigger?
 

ICantBelieveItsNotBud

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that sucks, a 5 gallon is wont do it for an outdoor plant? that's 1 gallon per month of life...
5 gallon works just fine, but if you want monsters go with bigger or in the ground. I believe 5gallon pots can grow a 4-5 footer easily, or bigger. FYI go to your local home depot, lowes, or menards(if you live in the northern states) and you can buy 5 gallon buckets for a little over $2 a piece, its a great deal compared to the normal $15+ for a 5gallon pot.
-good luck
 

Gr33nCrack

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Yeah i used 3 - 5 gallon pots, one which was from home depot. still rather have 10 gallon pots, does anyone know where to get cheap pots from, i wish i could plant in the ground, i wasn't able to break the ground with a shovel tho, maybe i should sneak a pick axe to the spot o_O
 

rfmshamrock

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Going with a 10 gallon is definitely better if it's practical. I just transplanted from 6 gallon to 16 gallon monsters. I'm in New England and roots hadn't completely filled the 6 gallon yet and the plants were about 40" (almost 3 1/2 feet). I bet they'd grow at least another two feet in the 6 gallon.

Again, if it's practical (affordability, stealth, etc.) You're always better going with a bigger pot because even if the plant is maximized in a given pot, a bigger one will not dry out as fast.

Good luck.
 

Gr33nCrack

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Yeah 5 1/2 feet is not quite ideal, id rather have 6 or 7 footers, and i'd rather not pay 10 dollars for smart pots plus shipping. I guess the pick axe will have to do. I'll also have to move about 25 more gallons of soil to my spot, either way the rock hard ground will work for LSTing the plants
 

madodah

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Yeah 5 1/2 feet is not quite ideal, id rather have 6 or 7 footers, and i'd rather not pay 10 dollars for smart pots plus shipping. I guess the pick axe will have to do. I'll also have to move about 25 more gallons of soil to my spot, either way the rock hard ground will work for LSTing the plants
25 gallons is 3.3cf of soil. What size holes are you digging for how many plants? I ask because if your ground is already hard summer heat will turn it into brick material and small holes won't work as you'll have drainage problems. 2'x2'x2' holes are 8cf. If you run 12 plants that's 96cf or 718 gallons, a lot of soil amendments to move anywhere by hand.

I grew in-ground for years and my soil has such a clay base to it I had to dig 3'x3'x3' holes, using 25% natural soil (screened by hand), 25% compost, 25% perlite and 25% decomposed cow manure. My back finally said enough, the reason I switched to Smart Pots. My annual investment, including Smart Pots/shipping, is now less than half of filling holes.
 

Gr33nCrack

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good idea, i was planning to fill them with 10 gallons each, so probably around 2ft X 2ft X 2ft maybe less. The water eventually drains through the bottom i'm guessing?
 

madodah

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good idea, i was planning to fill them with 10 gallons each, so probably around 2ft X 2ft X 2ft maybe less. The water eventually drains through the bottom i'm guessing?
For drainage, it depends on how deep the clay content goes. Many growers with clay based native soil prefer long, wide holes rather than deep, allowing summer heat to disperse through evaporation some of the contained water to avoid root rot as roots spread out rather than go down. Growers are now using 2-300 gallon Smart Pots which are only ~24" high for the same reason.

Keep in mind that 10 gallons is 1.34cf, a 2'x2'x2' hole being 8cf, so at ten gallons you're amending ~16% of the native soil. I'd amend at a minimum 50% of the native soil (assuming you're screening out the clay of the native soil you use), or 30 gallons per hole (4cf) of amendments.

Cubic feet is the common reference to solid materials size, gallons normally used for liquids. Though I do use a five gallon bucket to measure components when mixing a grow medium.
 

Brick Top

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i'd rather not pay 10 dollars for smart pots plus shipping.
If you would rather not pay for SmartPots, or any other air root-pruning design pot, than you would also rather not have the best growing most productive plants you can have.

Air root-pruning pots are well worth the expense.

When it comes to growing outdoors in pots I never use anything smaller than 15-gallon pots and normally all the soil is used by roots, there is not like the bottom 4-inches or 6-inches of the pot without roots at the end of the season and they never become root-bound.
 

madodah

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i guess if you have the money, but perlite and vermiculite do the same thing to some degree
You can put your grow medium together with components such as peat moss, which retains water, rather than vermiculite. I'm not a fan of vermiculite. Perlite stores absolutely necessary oxygen far better than anything but a couple of items that aren't widely available.

Use decomposed cow manure in your grow medium ($15 a pickup load at most dairies) and spend the money you'd use on aggressively marketed 'nutes' to buy Smart Pots. Then use molasses for flowering as you'll already have plenty of nitrogen in the grow medium. Not getting caught up in the nute loop craze will save you more investment money than anything else.
 

Gr33nCrack

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thats pretty cool, i am already using steer manure and chicken manure and my own compost, I plan on using molasses for flowering as well. And as for smart pots, i would rather dig 4 holes and fill them with about 12 gallons of soil, which i have bagged up and ready to go, i'll be moving them shortly. As for perlite i would like to get some but not sure if i can. How does vermiculite work for aeration? i was under the impression that it was great for that
 

madodah

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thats pretty cool, i am already using steer manure and chicken manure and my own compost, I plan on using molasses for flowering as well. And as for smart pots, i would rather dig 4 holes and fill them with about 12 gallons of soil, which i have bagged up and ready to go, i'll be moving them shortly. As for perlite i would like to get some but not sure if i can. How does vermiculite work for aeration? i was under the impression that it was great for that
Vermiculite is better known for its water retention capability. You should already have that with your compost. Wear a breathing mask if you mix vermiculite in your grow medium.
 
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