Honey = Smell inhibitor + CO2 generator?

Arcturon · May 25, 2012

I was doing more research, and found that hydrogen peroxide+baking soda= CO2+water+smell catch.
Now honey generates co2 AND hydrogen peroxide when introduced to a base, like baking soda. I think this will kill smell with a nice aroma and slowly but effectively generate co2. Any thoughts people?

Arcturon · May 25, 2012

http://www.prlog.org/10227103-the-hydrogen-peroxide-producing-capacity-of-honey.html
http://ask.metafilter.com/164517/H2O2-baking-soday-yields
Here's my sources.

Harrekin · May 25, 2012

Arcturon said:
I was doing more research, and found that hydrogen peroxide+baking soda= CO2+water+smell catch.
Now honey generates co2 AND hydrogen peroxide when introduced to a base, like baking soda. I think this will kill smell with a nice aroma and slowly but effectively generate co2. Any thoughts people?

Define "smell catch" and from a quick count, on your equation you're missing a few elements there, what else does this reaction produce? Anything toxic? Any small amount of anything harmful produced?

What absorbs the smell? I havnt done chemistry in a long time, but just be careful for by products produced in tiny amounts.

Arcturon · May 25, 2012

Harrekin said:
Define "smell catch" and from a quick count, on your equation you're missing a few elements there, what else does this reaction produce? Anything toxic? Any small amount of anything harmful produced?

What absorbs the smell? I havnt done chemistry in a long time, but just be careful for by products produced in tiny amounts.

There's a very low possibility of sodium hydroxide production if the honey+Baking soda comes into contact with water. It is corrosive to aluminum, powder-based, and blinds if it comes into contact with eyes. definitely gonna keep a lid on this thing.

Moebius · May 25, 2012

I would use something more friendly like a homemade ona gel.

Essential oils
Water absorbing crystals
Polysorbate 20 - To emulsify the oils and water.

Mix together in a bucket

Edit: A fan can be rigged up to the bucket to provide extra diffusion.

Arcturon · May 25, 2012

Moebius said:
I would use something more friendly like a homemade ona gel.

Essential oils
Water absorbing crystals
Polysorbate 20 - To emulsify the oils and water.

Mix together in a bucket

Edit: A fan can be rigged up to the bucket to provide extra diffusion.

Good plan! Dammit, I was at home depot yesterday, I saw those crystals and felt like they'd be handy!

Arcturon · May 25, 2012

I'm thinking if I add vinegar to the honey+baking soda combo, I'll effectively sterilize the air and continually generate more co2.
Where would I go about getting this Polysorbate 20?

Moebius · May 25, 2012

Arcturon said:
Good plan! Dammit, I was at home depot yesterday, I saw those crystals and felt like they'd be handy!

Ive got some plans in my head of building a DIY Ona bucket with the recipe above. But my CF works too well.... I'll build one anyhow just for the essential oil benefits.

They sell the crystals on ebay in various sizes. They are also used in flower arrangment to provide water and come in many colours.

Moebius · May 25, 2012

Arcturon said:
I'm thinking if I add vinegar to the honey+baking soda combo, I'll effectively sterilize the air and continually generate more co2.
Where would I go about getting this Polysorbate 20?

Polysorbate 20 is sold in stores that sell essential oils, home made hand-creams, and that sort of stuff. Its cheap as chips.

edit:
homeopathy shops

and I dont think youll be sterilizing the air with that method. The easiest way to maximise CO2 in your growroom is run at night. Relative CO2 levels are highest at night.

Nullis · May 25, 2012

Honey and baking soda isn't going to produce much carbon dioxide. You'd be better off spraying carbonated water on your plants for CO2, or mixing straight vinegar and baking soda to produce more of it over time. There are threads on home-made CO2 production around here, it's only really suitable for small grows.

Also, baking soda isn't going to neutralize much of the plant odor, certainly not after it has been reacted with acetic acid (which is in vinegar). The acetic acid in the vinegar reacts with the sodium bicarbonate, to form carbonic acid (which rapidly decomposes into carbon dioxide and escapes) and sodium acetate (salt & vinegar potato chips, anyone?).

Jogro · May 25, 2012

Arcturon said:
I was doing more research, and found that hydrogen peroxide+baking soda= CO2+water+smell catch.
Now honey generates co2 AND hydrogen peroxide when introduced to a base, like baking soda. I think this will kill smell with a nice aroma and slowly but effectively generate co2. Any thoughts people?

Whether or not the chemistry you describe is correct, honey is an absolute magnet for insects and other pests, and I would never keep any of it around my plants.

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