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shiva

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I'm one week into flowering and my plants leaves (both of them) have gone all droopy... any ideas from the pics what it could be?

mogie, i have checked a ton of links on this site already before you post them to me! I'm just looking for personal expertise from anyone who has seen something similar with their own plants and rectified the problem.

cheers guys/girls
 

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babygro

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I'm one week into flowering and my plants leaves (both of them) have gone all droopy... any ideas from the pics what it could be?

mogie, i have checked a ton of links on this site already before you post them to me! I'm just looking for personal expertise from anyone who has seen something similar with their own plants and rectified the problem.

cheers guys/girls
Well they sure look droopy! For future reference can you give as much info about the situation as you can? Like, watering schedule, repotting schedule, ph, nutrient feeds etc?

At first glance it looks like they simply need water! It could be under or over watering, but not knowing what you've done, it's impossible to be specific.
 

shiva

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it's so difficult to tell as i've not had any trouble with watering up to now... my moisture meter is saying they're not dry and to the touch they are pretty damp too so if anything, it's entirely possible that they may be suffering from an overwater than an underwater...

i'm a uk grower and was using a 24hour light cycle until recently when i started to flower, i changed to a 12/12. That accompanied with the cold in the uk at the moment and me growing in my garage may not be helping them either as they've not had the lights to keep them warm during the night.

Nutrients, I have now switched from a high nitrogen nutrient to a high potash nutrient but have given them with they're second water less than 1/4 strength.

Hope this helps! Thanks for the feedback!

p.s. i did say to my wife tonight that i think they may benefit from being repotted as the leaves near the top are struggling more than the others... trouble is, my grow area is not going to accommodate much larger pots.... oooops!
 

AllMeatNoPotato

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they could be in some shock from the transition and/or from too much water. don't look like too much water looks like underwatering. but who knows?
 

shiva

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if it's still moist at the base of the pot but dryer towards the top what then? surely the roots will bring the water up?

arrrrrggggggghhh so frustrating this watering lark especially as i'm trying to avoid damaging the roots with all the cold here!
 

babygro

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if it's still moist at the base of the pot but dryer towards the top what then? surely the roots will bring the water up?

arrrrrggggggghhh so frustrating this watering lark especially as i'm trying to avoid damaging the roots with all the cold here!
Well it could still be over-watering and the cold won't help them either. What are the min/max temperatures lights on and off? How often are you watering them? Do you allow a 10-20% run off when you water? You need to allow a little run off when you water to ensure that the soil is fully saturated, otherwise you can create dry areas in the soil. Marijuana doesn't really like soggy soil and it mostly comes from fairly hot regions where the soil is fairly dry, so you do need to pay attention to how much water you give them and how often.
 

shiva

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up to now ive been fine with the watering, check my photos and you'll see that theyve pretty much been healthy all along...

max temperature:70° with lights on, min... well around 45° lights off... not ideal i know and probably a shock to them...

Watering every 3 days or so... am testing moisture levels with a moisture wand to gauge watering and ph levels with a ph wand... hav edone it this way throughout the grow and no major probs so far.

I have been allowing for run off and also have been using moisture wand before and immediately after to test moistness in soil... if still dry, have added a little more water... that simple. Using finger to test afterwards too.

Have been paying attention to watering throughout and still am. I'm not one of these growers that waters them when they feel like it, i mean i love these plants and have really nurtured them!

The watering is important (my wife thinks i'm obsessed but of course she wants to share in the smoking of them once they're harvested!)

Any other ideas?

My soil is mixed well with perlite and vermiculite and i know this helps with drainage and also retaining nutes... but with this one i'm stuck - i really don't see what's wrong... unless maybe they need a little more room to breathe? I mean like bigger pots... each pot is about 10-12" diameter
 

MajoR_TokE

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At first i was thinking they could need water, i'm really not sure what the problem could be.

45* is a bit cold. no?
 

shiva

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Yes of course it's cold, but unfortunately I'm not enjoying a warm winter! I guess it could be the shock of that. This is about the coldest it's been so far this year in the uk, but am hoping it will warm up a bit... my garage does shelter a lot of the freezing temperatures and the room is well insulated which also helps.

To be perfectly honest, when i first started this grow i was very pessimistic that i would get anywhere with them, so the fact that i've grown 2 large beautiful plants is a real bonus... would be a real shame to lose them now though...

any additional thoughts anyone?

p.s. great journal major! Your plants are looking great!
 
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FallenHero

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pot can survive cold, i dont know how well, but it can, it's just not optimal, and can shock them, just make sure they dont reach freezing, thats when your really introuble. they also look like the need water to me, but you tell me your soil is moist, so i don't know.
 

babygro

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Any other ideas?
Well you certainly seem to know what you're doing, which is good to see and means we can pretty much rule out any basic growing errors. That pretty much leaves us with two possibles, one not so bad the other rather terminal.

Firstly, your plants show clear signs of possible over or under watering. The fact that your plants up till now have been growing nicely and have suddenly wilted since the temperatures have dropped quite sharply suggests that, that could well be the cause of the wilting, despite you continuing to carefully water them, and heres how.

When the air temperature drops sharply, so does the soil temperature and if the soil temperature is too cold, it will slow metabolic rates and that means the plant will not be using very much water, as you've continued to water by your usual methods, for normal healthy growth that would have been fine, but with slowed metabolic growth due to low soil temperature it may have been too much, which is why you're getting signs of over-watering, as the roots are not uptaking so much water, they're lacking oxygen because the soil around them is saturated. This can be compounded by poor air ventilation and high humidity as the plant needs to transpire water into the air and if the air is too water saturated (high humidity) it won't be able to transpire as much as with low humidity. Humidity is temperature related and warmer air can hold more water than colder air. An 800 cubic foot grow room can hold 18oz of water at 80c, 14oz at 70c and only 7oz at 50c. So you can see how the air temperature dropping can have two affects on water uptake and transpiration - less water is used and required.

Consider installing an oil filled radiator to try and raise the lights off temperatures, make sure the plants aren't sitting on a cold concrete floor, if they are try insulating them from it by raising them up and standing them on something. Make sure theres adequate ventilation - old stale humid air extracted and fresh air brought in.

The second possiblity isn't nice and that's two plant diseases called Verticullum and Fusarum wilt which are basicly an infection of the plant water transport system by blocking off the flow of water through the xylem. If this is the case, which I hope it isn't, there's nothing you can do.

If it's neither of these - I can't help you any more! But I hope either someone else can give you the answer and your plants recover fairly soon, good luck!
 

scooby doo

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could you not get a heat mat for the night time to help keeps the roots warm, i know what your saying about the uk being cold, i live here to and it is flipping cold at the mo...

another susgestion could be to get a portable gas fire in there on a low temp over night.. these are the only things i could think of as ive only just started growing my self. all the best with it though :peace:
 

GrapefruitGrower

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yeah know what your saying about the coldness in the uk at the moment, i also live in the uk and its been very frosty recently even snowing in some places, im growing a plant at the minute and to try to rectify the cold problem i keep a fan heater in my grow room and turn it on a couple of mins a day every few hours to try and keep the temperature up, hope this helps.....
 

shiva

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Well regardless of wilting problems, they have both definite signs of being female... check out pic showing white hairs. Also below are new pics of both of them 36 hours on from the last pics in this journal... have they improved??? Babygro, would really appreicate your views (no disrepespect to anyone else) but your reply was very informative Baby!

Individual replies to previous messages follow:

First Babygro: What you've said makes perfect sense with the metabolic rate dropping... however, have been using an oil filled radiator in the garage since the beginning of the grow which does help with temperature, it's pure fluke for me if it helps with humidity too. The plants are standing on boxes and not on the main floor. I have had since the beginning a bathroom extractor fan installed at the bottom of the growroom which is on constant 24 hours sucking fresh air in and a vent at the top of the room to let bad air out. All I can say is it sounds like you know exactly what you're talking about but I thought I'd covered myself from all directions to avoid any problems. I really truly hope it's not a disease. My only other thought is that maybe they need to be in bigger pots? What are your thoughts on this? They are in 10 inch diameter pots at the moment which hold about 10 litres.

AllMeatNoPotato: Your prayer is appreciated and I truly hope He forgives us and sends me good fortune despite me sharing your lack of belief in religious cultures.

Scooby: I could get a heat mat, good thought. A little bit nervous of using a gas heater overnight, purely for safety i guess. I have a very beautiful motorcycle in my garage and don't wish to blow it skyhigh so may leave that option.

Grapefruit: Thanks man, I think I'm gonna stick to my oil-filled radiator though as it cost a bit!
 

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