Help please!? what is this!!?

tango024

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ok, so pretty new at this so please dont dog me for any potential retarded remarks/questions. : )

so this all started with a bit of upwards leaf curling, as you can see in some of the pictures, however not all cases are showing this curling. then some but not others are also growing these weird deformed leaves. but the main issue that all plants that have these symptoms are seeming to have is, that the grow tips are seeming to become fried and brownish yellow in color with little to no smell., instead of green with lovely smelling white pistols. and growth has definitely seemed to have slowed almost to a halt. so this is happening on some strains but not all, so it is not strain specific. it is an outdoor grow just starting flower, as one could tell by pictures. it started on a few smaller branches on smaller plants, two weeks or so ago, and then stopped.. and now its starting to show up on a lot of branches on most all of the plants, more commonly the smallest spindliest branches but also affecting others and in a couple cases, whole plants.. the feedings were recently increased, so i think it could be something of that sort? though since the problem has arose i have stopped feedings and been on a regular watering schedule(for about 4 or 5 days), so i dont think that is long enough for a problem like this to correct itself, so i think i will keep doing that until someone on this site tells me otherwise, or something here tells me different. though i dont know as to wether i should flush or not as this could make things worse im told, i have since tested the ph of the water and it is at a steady 8-8.5. could this have an effect? maybe something finally built up in soil after so long of high ph water....? though i do not possess a soil ph tester so this could be an issue aswell.. ive done quite a bit of research already and have not been able to solve the issue via internet, though my searches have came up with a couple possibilities. being, a boron deficiency, a major ph problem, or overfeeding.. or ppms? though i am unschooled in what ppms are, maybe someone could fill me in on this matter?(noob question, i know. lol) someone told me it was some sort of bug(microscopic) epidemic that hasnt been around our area for almost 20 years, and he seemed 100% positive and also had said other people were also experiencing the same thing. and that i should spray my plants with neem. so i might do that, though some other sort of confirmation of that being the issue would be nice before i go spray. though i am quite confused as to how a bug could make a plant grow all deformed and fried like. is this possible?

so to sum it all up, i need major help before this takes over my whole garden.. if anyone knows what this is or has experienced anything like this, help would be greatly appriciated!!! thanks!!!! : )

&& the last picture should be of a healthy grow tip and the rest of various branches experiencing some sort of symptom,
 

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PH of 8 is too high for sure. All you need to do is correct what is not right and pray for the best. I will tell you that stressed plants have a tendency to hermie (male and female sex organs on one plant). In dirt it is recommended to keep the PH at 6-6.5. PPM is Parts Per Million. This should never exceed 1500. Also remember that the nuits do build up in soil. After looking at the pictures I would guess temperature issues maybe. Possible nuit lock out. I have a book on the most common issues with the plants but I left it at the grow house. I will look it up tomorrow if no one else answers and I remember it. It doesn't look like anything that neem would take care of in my opinion but neem doesn't hurt anything so go for it.
 
Ok thank you. Yes ive talked with a couple other sorces saying a combo of burn and lockout due to built up nutes in medium. So very possible. But will hope for confirmation from your book. He also mentioned a product that said would reset the system in a way called catylist or something like that. Any knowledgw of this?
 
hey look very close to your leaves.. do they have a bunch of white spots on them? looks like mites from a few pics.. and yes neem oil at night not during the day or it will fry them..
 
Hmm, Mr groove asked a good one,,,,,Whats the day time (lights on) temps? In soil? What soil? Inside or outside? What nutes and how much? Whats the average humidity?

They look like their trying to transpire but can't get needed moisture uptake. (leaves rolled up -can't get water from roots fast enuff) Usually a heat/humidity problem..also add a root booster to get the root system bigger...in pots - may help to increase pot size and boost roots.
Ph of 8.0+ ? The feed water going in? Prime SOIL Ph for MM is 6.5-6.8.
How, when and how much do you water?

I'll wait for questions to be answered till I say more.
 
Ok so answering to best of knowledge. Some of that info idk cause its my friend who is doing the compost teas..

So uhm. Daytime temps vary. Its an outdoor grow... as stated above. And has been relatively cool lately (mid to upper 80's) compared to the 100+ degree midsummer heat thats cake!!!! So I highly doubt its a heat problem, humidity is low. Usualky below 30% more closer to half that on average. Its dry here.. sooo, its a soil grow, would hope thats obvious being outdoor. The dirt I believe is a mix between ocean forrest and roots organics basic stuff and is in use for its third season and might have had some things added along the way. Though im told you can use the same dirt a few times without any negative effects. Also. Pot size is not an issue. These are big girls each of them have individual 400 gallon beds. They all already have hefty root systems.

So the nutes thingbis what i dont knoe. My friend has been brewing the compost teas on top of a weekly feeding schedule. I do know he was making "veg" teas trying to pump them as much as he could before flower was induced. And thats on top of the regular feeding schedule. I do a water, water, feed schedule. Usually cycling once a week, sometimes 1 feed a week happens and others with 2 feeds..I let the soil dry quite a bit but not to much between waterings. Basically let the plants show me they want water. And when I do water I give enough to get the soil all the way through nice and wet. Hard to say how many gallons are being used.
But one thing that has me thinking its nutes is that my friend has beenb putting about twice as many compost teas on them as before. And to the best of my knowledge has added a couple things to the brew as of late. Ill give you more details on that in a minute when I find out. And yes the water we have here comes out of the ground at a solid 8-8.5. And thats the water we use for everything. Except drinking. Could that have this malicious affect?? Should I phdown it with something before use?

Thank you so much!!!! :)
 
So my weekly feeding is 16 fluid ounces (volume) of each, azemite, glaciel, bloodmeal & fish meal. 32 fluid ounces of a 9-1-3 bat guano. 50-60 fluid ounces of worm castings a handful of humus with a few dashes of calmag mixed thoroughly in 25-35 gallons of water and then distributed evenly amongst the garden according to size of plant. Though that has now changed to a new flower heavy mixture enlight of the change of seasons. Though this new one had only been used once so far, and after these symptoms were already present. However like I said. My friend has basically doubled his compost tea feedings. Anf I do know he was following a similar regimeant for the teas as the above feedings, with a couple additions being some sort of kelp, and a humic acid product called ful-power. And possibly other things which I am unaware of.

Thanks for the help!!! :D
 
Ohhh && bass, yes correct those are mites. Did a full neem spray last night and washed neem off a few hours later. While it was still dark of course. We'll see what it does : )
 
Water is a tad high in Ph going in.....whats the soil Ph? Yeah get a meter....The soil should self Ph to around 6.5, but you've got old soil in there that's been stripped of to much.....I never run my soil more then once and dump the used into my veggie garden to amend the soil quality for next year..But I don't really see any Ph trouble in the plant...The tea sounds ok, but I'm wondering how long it's brewed for?
Temps in the mid to upper 80's,,,,outside you can't control that....the higher heat with the low humidity can (and prob is) be a factor. Higher temps slow growth...

Water like this,,,Water plant,,,,when the soil feels dry 1 inch down,,,,water again.....
Feed 1 day,,,water the next,,,,feed,,,,water,,etc. The soil below the plant in the pics looks dry, but I'm not there. And I'm not seeing droop so.....I believe the roots aren't dying out.

It still appears to be an uptake problem and I firmly believe the basis of the problem is the soil.....Brew up a high microbe tea to help balance the soil again.

Try this one. It is a flowering formula but the brew time is critical for the microbe growth.

Early flower microbe/fert tea

1/3 cup Peruvian seabird guano
1/3 cup Indonesian bat guano
1/3 cup earthworm castings
1/3 cup alfalfa meal
5 TBL black strap molasses
5 TBL liquid kelp extract or 5 TBL dried kelp powder.

Place into a 5 (or bigger if possible) gallon bucket. 1 Dbl outlet air pump with air stones on the line ends, place the stones/lines into the bucket. One quality (digital) aquarium heater set to 70deg ,,, heat unit and thermostat into bucket.. all ingr. into bucket with 5 gallons of water - don't Ph the water.....24 hrs of bubbling and mix at a ratio of 2/3 cup of tea to 1 gallon clean water....this will make around 60 gallons of ready to use on the plant tea.....The microbes in the tea will live about 2 days so use it when you water on 2 consecutive days and that won't hurt....

I'm still concerned about the amount of water you use per plant and how often your watering....so follow the one above for now.....
Next year use NEW soil and avoid reuse....

Keep us informed of the progress and I'll try to help if need be..

Good luck
 
Hey thanks a bunch dr.who. yes our early flower tea's contents are exactly as you suggest with the addition of another type of bat guano. Though idk If Its brewed to same or differently as I am not the one doing it..

So i think I have found the solution to my problem. a friend told me more about it being a potential bug problem. They said it is a "broad mite" so I did a little google surfing and found similar problems to mine being diagnosed as this broad mite. What I found is that it likes to feed on new growth, especially newly forming pistols, and as it feeds emits a chemical onto the plant to make it appear this way and even grow all deformed. They supposedly hate high temps, which would make sense as to why they are showing up now and not during midsummer. Along with a couple other correlations.

Can anyone confirm this?
 
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