Growing monsters

Bigdaddy76

Bigdaddy76

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I’m shooting for monsters this year. My outdoor will be going outside next weekend. You can see how big they already are. At this time last season, my outdoor were a small seedlings. This year I went for clones from my pheno hunts. Most the girls bottom stem is thicker then a roll of quarters, no exaggeration. (First picture, Zoom up on from right girl) Currently getting 17 hours of daylight and will get a week of 16 hours.496B8D0B-C160-47F1-82ED-EF381D7FEF18.jpeg9C870B8E-90C7-4FA8-BBED-D38CF7D24527.jpegE5C8E033-B223-4FC4-A80B-2722151AB94E.jpegC5239231-BB5B-45BA-ABE7-418922572F48.jpeg
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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Honest opinion is to put them in ground in holes just larger than your pots. Give plenty of space between plants. Feed as hard as they will take. And remove some of those vertical stems inside when they get around 4'. Monsters truly become such if not careful. LOL.

Nice job.
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Bigdaddy76

Bigdaddy76

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MICHI-CAN said:
Honest opinion is to put them in ground in holes just larger than your pots. Give plenty of space between plants. Feed as hard as they will take. And remove some of those vertical stems inside when they get around 4'. Monsters truly become such if not careful. LOL.

Nice job.
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I’m buying a 20’x30’ light dep, greenhouse. Everything will get transplanted into either living soil or an organic mix, directly into the ground. Yours are freakin monsters! My only limit to size, I feel will be cause of strain.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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Bigdaddy76 said:
I’m buying a 20’x30’ light dep, greenhouse. Everything will get transplanted into either living soil or an organic mix, directly into the ground. Yours are freakin monsters! My only limit to size, I feel will be cause of strain.
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Agreed for the most part. I get some freaks. And Pre 98 BK is my only consistent under 6'. Makes up for it in cola diameter.

Best wishes. Just don't add any synthetics to your medium. And true organic comes to life. LOL.
 
Bears_win

Bears_win

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Big roots big plants.

Living soil add red wrigglers

Mulch( alfalfa>rice straw>gorilla hair )

Have IPM and stick to it

Put it on drip irrigation

Feed compost teas and top feed in bloom

Tom hill method amendments ( chicken, gypsum, oyster, bone )

Have a great trellis system

Orchard ladder to harvest

Don’t let your plants get to tall wider is the goal

Supercrop a lot in June / July

Heavy silica , Magnesium, calcium , and sulfur

Foliage with kelp

Feed with fish

Structure is important don’t be afraid to thin out underneath and lollipop the stalk.

Watch out for fungal disease, plant em on a mound super high, dry crown.

if you want to get the hawgs plant in at least 3-4 yards of soil . That’s a minimum 600 gallon container. Big hugels or mounds have 10 + yards of soil.

Gopher cage if you plant in ground

Have some cats in the garden

Garden Siting design is important , morning sun is necessary but plan for low sun in late October to help finish. Use the sun tracker app .

Airflow is important and part of design . You should have warm air rising at night out of the valley/canyon and a breeze blowing fresh air all afternoon. No cold sites

Microclimate is everything . Warm dry and Indian summers ( Northern California and southern OR have a lot of good growers for this reason, simply easier in a perfect climate.

Seed starts always , I know guys who say clones can get just as big, but any truly large plant is 9/10 times from seed.

Phenotype /strain selection is huge. Certain strains get bigger . Grow blue dream If your not sure what strains can get huge.

Progress incrementally
big is relative, if you’ve never grown a 3lb plant shoot for that.
Once you can do that shoot for a 6
Then a 10. Once u hit 10 + your in the zone,

Depending on your climate it might be difficult to hit a 3 , that’s fine work with what you got and be proud set goals for quality and constantly learn and try new things .

Good luck Is a huge part as well
 
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mudballs

mudballs

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Bears_win said:
Big roots big plants.

Living soil add red wrigglers

Mulch( alfalfa>rice straw>gorilla hair )

Have IPM and stick to it

Put it on drip irrigation

Feed compost teas and top feed in bloom

Tom hill method amendments ( chicken, gypsum, oyster, bone )

Have a great trellis system

Orchard ladder to harvest

Don’t let your plants get to tall wider is the goal

Supercrop a lot in June / July

Heavy silica , Magnesium, calcium , and sulfur

Foliage with kelp

Feed with fish

Structure is important don’t be afraid to thin out underneath and lollipop the stalk.

Watch out for fungal disease, plant em on a mound super high, dry crown.

if you want to get the hawgs plant in at least 3-4 yards of soil . That’s a minimum 600 gallon container. Big hugels or mounds have 10 + yards of soil.

Gopher cage if you plant in ground

Have some cats in the garden

Garden Siting design is important , morning sun is necessary but plan for low sun in late October to help finish. Use the sun tracker app .

Airflow is important and part of design . You should have warm air rising at night out of the valley/canyon and a breeze blowing fresh air all afternoon. No cold sites

Microclimate is everything . Warm dry and Indian summers ( Northern California and southern OR have a lot of good growers for this reason, simply easier in a perfect climate.

Seed starts always , I know guys who say clones can get just as big, but any truly large plant is 9/10 times from seed.

Phenotype /strain selection is huge. Certain strains get bigger . Grow blue dream If your not sure what strains can get huge.

Progress incrementally
big is relative, if you’ve never grown a 3lb plant shoot for that.
Once you can do that shoot for a 6
Then a 10. Once u hit 10 + your in the zone,

Depending on your climate it might be difficult to hit a 3 , that’s fine work with what you got and be proud set goals for quality and constantly learn and try new things .

Good luck Is a huge part as well
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doing mounds myself this year, sounds like a guy that's done it.
 
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JakeBakeADK

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Bigdaddy76 said:
I’m shooting for monsters this year. My outdoor will be going outside next weekend. You can see how big they already are. At this time last season, my outdoor were a small seedlings. This year I went for clones from my pheno hunts. Most the girls bottom stem is thicker then a roll of quarters, no exaggeration. (First picture, Zoom up on from right girl) Currently getting 17 hours of daylight and will get a week of 16 hours.View attachment 4902480View attachment 4902482View attachment 4902484View attachment 4902485
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Big already man nice work ! Looks like my girls could have some competition ✌
 
Bears_win

Bears_win

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mudballs said:
doing mounds myself this year, sounds like a guy that's done it.
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I grow in 1000 gallon and 500 gallon smart pots. I have lots of gophers /moles where I live so I’m slowly experimenting with mounds and hugelkultur Trenches with gopher cages to protect the central root mass. The goal is to move all plants to mounds and out of smart pots the next few years.

motherlode gardens on Instagram is an inspiration he consistently grows a hill of 12-15 pounders in mounds . From what I can tell he bases his methods on Tom Hill.

Tom was from Mendocino Co. I believe And was one of the OGs ( I think their are many old timers from the triangle who refined this method but Tom chronicled it and got it named after him) who pioneered living soil , large trellis systems and smaller plant counts but big yields-under the medical MJ laws allowed at the time in CA.

post your progress planting in mounds if you have time , I’d like to see it.
 
mudballs

mudballs

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Bears_win said:
post your progress planting in mounds if you have time , I’d like to see it.
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they're nothing impressive at the moment really.
i dont know if this was intended as a grow journal or not, i dont want to highjack this guys thread.
yes Tom was unquestionably a pioneer. here's a thread where he does an AMA before there was a thing called AMA threads.
https://www.icmag.com/forum/marijuana-growing/cannabis-growing-outdoors/157004-the-growing-large-plants-outdoors-thread?t=159846
take note of his low perlite ratio....i see 30% in soil way too much around here. rain and weather this year has screwed me bigtime and im just now getting them started but that's ok cuz my season can stretch into december, they just wont be as big oh well. im actually lucky to have these plants at all cuz of this.
Texas rainfall
Year​
Jan​
Feb​
Mar​
Apr​
May​
June​
July​
Aug​
Sept​
Oct​
Nov​
Dec​
Yearly
Total​
2021
4.06​
2.33​
4.14​
5.29​
11.63​
​
​
​
​
​
​
​
27.45​
2020
5.50​
7.13​
5.44​
5.45​
4.51​
3.89​
3.68​
1.55​
6.79​
1.35​
0.85​
6.46​
52.60​
2019
3.34​
2.17​
2.44​
9.88​
9.87​
7.12​
0.73​
1.07​
3.60​
4.05​
0.53​
1.13​
45.93​

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i have 5 mounds started, waiting on last 5 potted plants to sex out.
 
Humanrob

Humanrob

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Bigdaddy76 said:
They’re finally outside. Getting ready to build new greenhouse before these girls go into the ground. The large ones are in 10g pots and small ones in 3 gal pot. Look how big around the ground crawler is. Its a GG#4. Thing will take up some serious space.View attachment 4921846View attachment 4921847View attachment 4921848View attachment 4921849
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Looks great! That's going to be one dense jungle. I hope you'll keep posting pictures throughout the season.

Seems like most people use that kind of plastic, I even see something similar on commercial greenhouses. You can really see in your pictures how much light it cuts, although I've read articles that report that diffused light can be better for (some) plants. I can't use that kind of plastic on my structure because I only get 6-7 hours of direct sunlight per day, so I need it unfiltered. Seems like locations that get full sun morning to night can grow great plants with it, I'm sure yours will be awesome.
 
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