Going underground

nine33

Well-Known Member
Here in the south we don't have basements, it's a shame really. So I'm thinking about excavating a 12x12 or so area in my backyard, building a chamber, then laying new grass on top. Maybe go to my neighbors and say I'm building a bomb shelter if they see it being built, though I have tall privacy fences.

This would be a 3 sectioned grow area, the majority of the space going to 2 equal size flowering chambers, and a smaller vegetative room.

As for the heat, I'm thinking about running conductive copper tubing throughout the earth and back to a radiator of some sort inside the grow areas. Thus instead of air conditioning systems, I use a passive method that only requires powering a liquid pump.

What are peoples thoughts on an essentially secret underground grow op? I'm tired of having it in my home and am looking to do something out of the ordinary.
 

mercer88

Well-Known Member
underground growrooms amaze me,

ive been thinking about building one myself,

im gonna be definatly keeping tabs on this thread .

as for my thoughts,

you have to think of the follin gfactors

1) flooding ... can u keep the room flood free and water tight,

2) air exchange.... you have to make sure you can keep it cool in the heat, and warm in the cold, and have a steady fresh air in , hot air out, as for odour control, i suggest a setup similar to one i designed for mobee,






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also can u build it strong... cave ins not only will fuck your whole operation up.. but they are potentially life threatening ( IF YOUR DOWN THERE AT THE TIME, OR STANDING ONTOP OF THE ROOM IN THE GARDEN,


as for any other factors..

we get to them as they come..

ill keep watching this thread.. if i can help i will


good luck
 

Imlovinit

Well-Known Member
As for heat, the earth stays at a certain temp. Not sure how deep u have to dig but 12' down should do it. Remember to reinforce + insulate the roof. Be careful, good luck.
 

CdnBud

Well-Known Member
You should use solar panels to power your room. No one will notice your increased electricity use.
 

morgentaler

Well-Known Member
It might be a tough sell convincing the neighbors that you're building a bomb shelter unless they already think that you're extremely paranoid.
They're kind of out of fashion these days.
Additionally, unless you're building it with 3 foot thick concrete walls, anyone whose seen one is going to wonder what you're really building.
And once it IS built, they'll want to see what the crazy neighbor stocked his bomb shelter with.

If you're going to build, and you've got the budget, set up under a workshop or utility shed. It's going to be hard to keep under wraps if the neighbors are right up against your property, no matter what.
 

mrmadcow

Well-Known Member
why not dig a basement under the house? it can be done after the house is built.dont know the details but I once rented a house my grandparents owned & sold before I was born that did not have a basement when they owned it but does now.
 

proheto8008

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why dont you just save the money and rent a secondary house with the money you were going to spend on the underground op.

You say you live in the south. If you live anywhere near Atlanta GA then you can rent a house for DIRT CHEAP.
 

Greendude

Well-Known Member
Tell your neighbors your building a root cellar or putting in a septic system . They wont ask to see it when your done.
The idea of building your op underground is a very cool concept . But alot of planning and design has to go into it.
Sealing your walls and floor from ground water and moisture and you have to build your ceiling to support the weight of the dirt your going to cover it with .
It will get you busted if you dont put a building over it or bury it deep enough . Would look funny , having a 12' x 12' spot in your yard that frost or snow never settle on .
I live in the south too . Not much snow , but alot of frost .
I've been working on an underground grow op for a couple months . Finally got the kinks worked out and the holes dug . Only 10'x10' but still alot of work. Will be building the form and pouring the floors this weekend if the rain holds off.
 

svchop889

Well-Known Member
tell them its a storm shelter if your near anywhere that get tornadoes or hurricanes those dont need to have 3ft thick cement walls or lead shielding as for the covering th top of it so patches of missing snow dont appear you said you in the south so i wouldnt worry about that but if it does snow on occasion just put it next to your driveway and put reinforced concrete on top and if anyone asks why there is no snow tell them its heated cement
 

Brick Top

New Member
you said you in the south so i wouldnt worry about that but if it does snow on occasion just put it next to your driveway and put reinforced concrete on top and if anyone asks why there is no snow tell them its heated cement


He said he wants a 12’ by 12’ room …. you said put it "next" to his driveway and if it does snow and it melts tell people its heated cement ……. Who would heat a 12’ by 12’ slab of cement adjacent to their driveway? Who would believe someone in the South would heat a 12’ by 12’ slab of cement adjacent to their driveway?
 
I assume the guy has a backhoe or a trachoe he can rent or borrow to dig such a massive hole and I assume that the massive amount of dirt from the hole could just be spread around the yard and then seeded or trucked away.

That wouldn’t add much to the costs of the job, grading the property again so the massive amount of soil does not cause a flooding problem for the home, the underground grow room or cause runoff that will upset neighbors who might then complain that it all started when that heated slab of concrete next to his driveway, the one with the stairs running down to it and the air ventilation lines running up and out of it.
 
Would explaining that it is heated and that is why snow melts explain away the stairs that would also be right by his driveway built down into the room?

Or will this now turn into "The Great Escape" and three tunnels, "Tom, Dick and Harry" will be dug from other buildings on the property to tie in the 12’ by 12’ underground room.
 
For the underground grow room builder … you said you will be running conductive copper pipes/tubing to run a liquid through for heating purposes.

How deep will you have your copper tubing/pipe? If you do not have it deep enough and long enough you will not get any heat in the winter.

Even if you do go deep enough you will find a whopping 58 degrees to tap into.

To do it rather than bury copper and pump a liquid you bury large flexible plastic pipes, like large plastic drain lines, and you of course have to figure out how many feet long they would have to be so when the air from the room passes through them by the time it returns to the room it is back to the 58 degrees. Then all you have to figure out is how to raise the temperature in your underground from 58 to about 75 degrees so you can grow herb in the underground room.
 
Will you bother to have any fresh air intake? If so how will the pipes sticking out of the ground with a screened and hopefully filtered easily be explained away as being part of a heated slab of concrete adjacent to your driveway?
 
You know being underground does offer the possibility of water entering your room. Right?

At the bottom of the stairs, unless of course you have "Tom, Dick and Harry" running to your underground room, you will need to have a drain to handle rain that is caught in the stairwell and any possible melted snow too, if any, and that drain will have to attach to something like a septic tank, that is if you can have them where you live, or to the city sewer lines, which tapping into might take some explaining or at the very least another hole dug, deeper than the room itself, with a thick layer of gravel where the water can run into and then seep into the ground.

To be smart your underground room should have a drain or two too. I guess you could avoid the drain(s) in the room by slightly tilting the floor so water would run to a sump and them you would pump it out but then where do you pump it to that will not raise eyebrows unless you include a septic tank or at least a sump/pump.
 
Unless the guy lives way out in the country without any neighbors where he might be able to get away with building his underground grow room without any building permits and without any inspections from County inspectors there is no way it could be done.
 
Even if he used cement block walls and laid them himself he would need a poured concrete footing for the block walls and if you dig a hole like that and have a cement company come in to do the cement work they will want to see the building permit so they do not face any fines.
 
You just cannot do that kind of work without building permits. That is unless you want to risk drawing attention to your underground grow room and end up with some City or County official stopping by some day saying work has to stop because of a lack of permits and until permits are had and all previous work OK’d no new work can go on …. and how will a deep 12’ by 12’ hole with stairs and air shafts covered by a slab of cement pass for anything other than an underground room and who would heat the cement slab roof to an underground room? Why would they do it?

I hope you are an electrician so you can run safe adequate electricity underground from your home to your underground grow room ... and have it pass code or if done without inspection so you do not burn your house down. And later if you need an electrician and they spot wiring running outside underground and get suspicious as to where it is going they don't get nosey.
 
If you have the thousands and thousands of dollars that would be need to do such a project, and could get all the permits needed, the thing to do would be to make it deep enough that it would be at a constant 58 degrees year ‘round and not have a concrete slab on the surface and just have lawn. Why draw any additional attention to it? How will you disguise the stairs going down to the room? Purchase about a 15 or 20 foot shed to put above the stairwell and cut an opening in the floor so you would then enter the shed and from there open a trap door in the shed to get to the stairs?
 
Have you really thought this through or have you only dreamed?
 

milowerx96

Active Member
Bomb shelter is a bad idea. Septic system better. The reason most southern houses don't have basements is most homes are in flood planes. Also the water table is pretty shallow in most places down there contributing to the lack of basements. Around here cargo containers are all the rage. Cheap easy to get lasts for decades SOLID!!! You can bury them deep and not have to worry about the roof caving in. Good luck!

Here in the south we don't have basements, it's a shame really. So I'm thinking about excavating a 12x12 or so area in my backyard, building a chamber, then laying new grass on top. Maybe go to my neighbors and say I'm building a bomb shelter if they see it being built, though I have tall privacy fences.

This would be a 3 sectioned grow area, the majority of the space going to 2 equal size flowering chambers, and a smaller vegetative room.

As for the heat, I'm thinking about running conductive copper tubing throughout the earth and back to a radiator of some sort inside the grow areas. Thus instead of air conditioning systems, I use a passive method that only requires powering a liquid pump.

What are peoples thoughts on an essentially secret underground grow op? I'm tired of having it in my home and am looking to do something out of the ordinary.
 

Brick Top

New Member
If you want to grow underground why not just live underground? You can purchase an old U.S. Air Force Atlas-F or Titan 1 missile complex for somewhere between $150,000.00 and $2,000,000.00 and have anywhere from 5 fenced in acres to 100 fenced in acres.
 
The Atlas-F ICBM sites were the heaviest constructed of all U.S. missile sites during the Cold War. They were designed to withstand a direct overhead blast (airburst, not ground burst) of a "Big Ivan," a 100MT nuclear device, the worlds most powerful ever that when tested only had half the fissionable material added so it was roughly 50MT when detonated at 10,500 meters every seismic recording station around the world recorded the blast quake.
 
The structures were designed to withstand 10,000 psi of blast pressure and the two 3-foot thick blast doors were also made to withstand 10,000 psi of blast pressure. They were so heavily constructed that when the pyramids have eroded away to nothing but small mounds in the sand these places will still be as strong as the day they were constructed.
 
Two 3-foot thick blast doors made to withstand 10,000psi of blast pressure ….. no cozzer is kicking that in, in the middle of the night, not even if they brought a SWAT team and an Army regiment with them.
 
They have three phase electricity so you would never be wanting for enough electricity no matter what you did. They have fresh air intake systems with filters on them for chemical, biological weapons and will filter out any radioactive particles.
 
Because they are so deep underground weather conditions do not effect you in the least. It could be 120 degrees or 80 below zero and you would never know the difference and your heating bills would not go up at all no matter how cold it got. You wouldn’t need A/C because at that depth the ground, and the complex, will always want to be at 58 degrees so you would only need heat.
 
Other than the small, but very thick and sturdy cement entrance and the first of the blast doors there is no exterior maintenance to ever do. You never have to put a roof on one, you never have to clean or replace the gutters on one. You never have to paint or stain or replace the siding of one. You never have to replace a broken window or even wash a dirty window. A dozen tornadoes could tap dance above you and pound on your door all day and all night and you would never hear a single thing and there would be nothing found later that could be described as being damage.
 
Another option is one of AT&T’s old Cold War national communications bunkers they have been selling off now for a few years. They range in size from about 6,500sq. ft. to 15,000sq. ft. and like the missile sites are on fenced in lots, all 5 acres or larger.
 
They are not real deep and not nearly as heavily as constructed as the USAF missile sites but they were still built to withstand a pretty good wallop. They had the 10,000 psi blast doors and the same sort of air filtration system but they are only 4-foot thick concrete that is encased in a thick layer of lead and then a layer of steel and then have on average about 5 feet of earth above them.
 
The "Long Line" communications bunkers on average cost more than say an Atlas-F missile site but then while not as deep or as strong they are no less that 3 times larger than the Atlas-F sites and as much as about 7 times as large (that is unless someone would build in the actual missile silo itself and then they would have a MASSIVE amount of square footage, and that is interior space, and they are shaped in a way that is more homeowner friendly. They are square or rectangles and the Atlas-F sites are two level round/cylinders with a MASSIVE steel reinforced concrete pillar in the center.
 
I have considered one, I have talked with Realtors and owners and even with AT&T but so far I have not found one in an area I wanted to live in that was in a condition I wanted to tackle. Some have luxury homes above them and the underground units are luxury units and some have been flooded with water for decades and others are anywhere in between. It just depends on how much money someone has to spend, how much of a project they are willing to take on and if they can find one of these structures in an area they would like to live in.
 
But if you want to grow underground then there is the perfect solution. Structures that in today’s dollars would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build that are now able too be purchased for around $150k and up. Not a bad value.

If you have a cool $2mil lying around there is a Titan 1 missile site on 100 acres in Colorado. Without building in any of the 3 missile silos you would have roughly 72,000 square feet to wander around in. There is a 3-mile long underground tunnel running from one end of the underground complex to the other. To give you an idea of how much space they have, a Titan 1 missile site in Oklahoma was made into a town high school … and it isn’t some little Mayberry-sized town either.
 
So why dig a 12’ by 12’ foot hole in the ground when you can have a structure that is almost indestructible … it would literally take a direct or near direct ground burst from a nuclear weapon to destroy them … the structures would laugh off anything less … so if you are going to go for it .. why not go for the gold? If you are going to dream ...... dream big!
 
An Atlas-F missile site or an AT&T "Long Line" communication bunker would do you proud.
 

milowerx96

Active Member
Ha Ha I like your thinking. I had looked at these things a long time ago for mushroom farming. The legal ones. Nothing more perfect roll in there and turn the silo into 8 floors of perfectly sealed myco labs. The only drag was they are all in shit holes like the middle of Wyoming where the prairie dogs fuk, or north Dakota. If they had on in Oregon I would be on the shit in a heart beat. Grow room from hell! Convert the silo to grow rooms, the you have living quarters and the access doors on those things would require a jack hammer and a bulldozer and a plasma cutter to get through.
If you want to grow underground why not just live underground? You can purchase an old U.S. Air Force Atlas-F or Titan 1 missile complex for somewhere between $150,000.00 and $2,000,000.00 and have anywhere from 5 fenced in acres to 100 fenced in acres.
 
The Atlas-F ICBM sites were the heaviest constructed of all U.S. missile sites during the Cold War. They were designed to withstand a direct overhead blast (airburst, not ground burst) of a "Big Ivan," a 100MT nuclear device, the worlds most powerful ever that when tested only had half the fissionable material added so it was roughly 50MT when detonated at 10,500 meters every seismic recording station around the world recorded the blast quake.
 
The structures were designed to withstand 10,000 psi of blast pressure and the two 3-foot thick blast doors were also made to withstand 10,000 psi of blast pressure. They were so heavily constructed that when the pyramids have eroded away to nothing but small mounds in the sand these places will still be as strong as the day they were constructed.
 
Two 3-foot thick blast doors made to withstand 10,000psi of blast pressure ….. no cozzer is kicking that in, in the middle of the night, not even if they brought a SWAT team and an Army regiment with them.
 
They have three phase electricity so you would never be wanting for enough electricity no matter what you did. They have fresh air intake systems with filters on them for chemical, biological weapons and will filter out any radioactive particles.
 
Because they are so deep underground weather conditions do not effect you in the least. It could be 120 degrees or 80 below zero and you would never know the difference and your heating bills would not go up at all no matter how cold it got. You wouldn’t need A/C because at that depth the ground, and the complex, will always want to be at 58 degrees so you would only need heat.
 
Other than the small, but very thick and sturdy cement entrance and the first of the blast doors there is no exterior maintenance to ever do. You never have to put a roof on one, you never have to clean or replace the gutters on one. You never have to paint or stain or replace the siding of one. You never have to replace a broken window or even wash a dirty window. A dozen tornadoes could tap dance above you and pound on your door all day and all night and you would never hear a single thing and there would be nothing found later that could be described as being damage.
 
Another option is one of AT&T’s old Cold War national communications bunkers they have been selling off now for a few years. They range in size from about 6,500sq. ft. to 15,000sq. ft. and like the missile sites are on fenced in lots, all 5 acres or larger.
 
They are not real deep and not nearly as heavily as constructed as the USAF missile sites but they were still built to withstand a pretty good wallop. They had the 10,000 psi blast doors and the same sort of air filtration system but they are only 4-foot thick concrete that is encased in a thick layer of lead and then a layer of steel and then have on average about 5 feet of earth above them.
 
The "Long Line" communications bunkers on average cost more than say an Atlas-F missile site but then while not as deep or as strong they are no less that 3 times larger than the Atlas-F sites and as much as about 7 times as large (that is unless someone would build in the actual missile silo itself and then they would have a MASSIVE amount of square footage, and that is interior space, and they are shaped in a way that is more homeowner friendly. They are square or rectangles and the Atlas-F sites are two level round/cylinders with a MASSIVE steel reinforced concrete pillar in the center.
 
I have considered one, I have talked with Realtors and owners and even with AT&T but so far I have not found one in an area I wanted to live in that was in a condition I wanted to tackle. Some have luxury homes above them and the underground units are luxury units and some have been flooded with water for decades and others are anywhere in between. It just depends on how much money someone has to spend, how much of a project they are willing to take on and if they can find one of these structures in an area they would like to live in.
 
But if you want to grow underground then there is the perfect solution. Structures that in today’s dollars would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build that are now able too be purchased for around $150k and up. Not a bad value.

If you have a cool $2mil lying around there is a Titan 1 missile site on 100 acres in Colorado. Without building in any of the 3 missile silos you would have roughly 72,000 square feet to wander around in. There is a 3-mile long underground tunnel running from one end of the underground complex to the other. To give you an idea of how much space they have, a Titan 1 missile site in Oklahoma was made into a town high school … and it isn’t some little Mayberry-sized town either.
 
So why dig a 12’ by 12’ foot hole in the ground when you can have a structure that is almost indestructible … it would literally take a direct or near direct ground burst from a nuclear weapon to destroy them … the structures would laugh off anything less … so if you are going to go for it .. why not go for the gold? If you are going to dream ...... dream big!
 
An Atlas-F missile site or an AT&T "Long Line" communication bunker would do you proud.
 

mercer88

Well-Known Member
Wow the conversation got intriguing.... Id never be able to build one and pass it off As a bomb shelter, not here in the uk,

i seriously gotta start making my back garden more private before i start digging,

maybe new 6 foot high fence panels all round with 2 foot trellis ontop.. Covered in bamboo mesh?

Lol,

bearing in mind i live 5 minutes from the take off pad for the london police helicopter, call signed india99 ... Its a 5 million pound helicopter fitted with a camera system wich unlike most police helicopter, ALWAYS Has is INFRARED heat camera on,

it has a touch screen system that splits 4 pictures onto one tv screen and when the operator touches one camera it expands .. Ect

it always has the heat cam activated and the camera is "trained " to alert the operator on any " abnormal" heat sources,

that is why my grow shed has 10 inches of concrete on the roof and 2 layers of concrete bricks for the walls, its like a over ground bomb shelter, but what joy i would have having this 10x 10 concrete room underground !
 

Punk

Well-Known Member
If you want to grow underground why not just live underground? You can purchase an old U.S. Air Force Atlas-F or Titan 1 missile complex for somewhere between $150,000.00 and $2,000,000.00 and have anywhere from 5 fenced in acres to 100 fenced in acres.
Ummmm...ya, probably getting a bit out of touch here, mentioning buying a 1980s cold war era underground missile silo, don't you think? That's not advice, it's fantasy talk.
 

proheto8008

Well-Known Member
Ummmm...ya, probably getting a bit out of touch here, mentioning buying a 1980s cold war era underground missile silo, don't you think? That's not advice, it's fantasy talk.

I did however find his post very very helpful tho. Thank you Punk for posting that. I know a group of growers turned business men who are gearing up to be one of the first corporations with a CA license to produce cannabis legaly under the inevitable decriminalization and taxation efforts that are happening in CA.

I just called and had a chat with one of them and they think this is an awesome idea as a facility for legal/commercial production.

can you give me some links to some of the lower priced facilities. All the ones i could find are priced at well over $750,000
 

svchop889

Well-Known Member
really brick top maybe he wants some extra parking space? ever think of that? and maybe he got heated cement so you dont slip and break your old ass when it does snow, i dont know how far south he is.
 

Punk

Well-Known Member
The majority are all in the upper midwest: nebraska, south dakota, north dakota, montana.
 
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