Friends are trying to get me to consider dropping

ThatGuy113

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I have some roomates that have dropped a few times before and they want me to join them. Now there is a few things that make it a automatic no in my head, that being said i have nothing against the drug itself and to each his own etc. When i was growing up there was a man who lived on my street with his parents (Super odd guy). I thought he was just mentally handicapped, but my step dad at the time explained it was from a bad hit when this guy was in high school. So ive always been a little leary when it comes to me trying it. On top of that i really don't like perpetuating stereotypes (as stupid as my friends make it sound). The stereotype being marijuana is a gateway drug, i figure i will always just smoke weed and continue to be a productive member of society earning my degree in engineering. So by me not trying anything else in essence im fighting the stereotype. Now of course im a little interested in it and its effects but the negatives outweigh the positives. I do have good self control when it comes to controlled substances. Yes i know acid is non habit forming but dealing with that guy everyday on my long walk home from school was enough to steer me away. Although that case may be the exception to the rule it still is a little risky. Plus my smoking in general is super secretive between me and close friends and growing even more secret, so if i did drop i would have to trust these 2 others that they will NEVER say anything to anyone about it. Its a lot on my plate im hoping to hear from both sides of the argument even though i know a good majority of people in this subforum are going to be for it (or else why would you be reading around). Any advice? (and in the end yes i am only going to do it if im comfortable with it)
 

ThatGuy113

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I mean i guess the big thing is i don't really have the urge to find something new. It kind of perks my interests but i smoke a decent amount a day and i am still more then satisfied with good old THC lol.
 

ANC

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In my experience those with the most questions, should stay the farthest away.
Too active minds for complete surrender.
 

Puffer Fish

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You are a perfect product child of the war on drugs ....(not your fault) what the fuck is a gateway drug anyway ? But you bought into it.
You either alter your perception with substances ... or you don't .... that is what this is about .... you need to come in terms with that.
Only then you will be ready for L.

Please realize that you are dealing with a Tryptamine here. This potion will bring all your Unconscious Material to the surface (your awareness)
so you have to be ready to deal with that .... otherwise you will wig out. Thus you must be mentally stable.
Following man made concepts like 'following stereotypes' is the least of your concern ... trust me.

Now please realize that bringing unconscious material to the surface could be a very powerful (positive experience)
In your case ... as an engineer .... such trip might make profound impact .... on the way you think .... in terms of your creativity/thought process ... etc (I would hate to loose another Davinci in the making... cause of stereotypes ...)
Solving complex problems in .... a radically different way .... never perceived before .....look up some research on that. You need to convince yourself.

Have a glance at this:
Link to article is here ...

BASEL, Switzerland -- When Kevin Herbert has a particularly intractable programming problem, or finds himself pondering a big career decision, he deploys a powerful mind expanding tool -- LSD-25.
"It must be changing something about the internal communication in my brain. Whatever my inner process is that lets me solve problems, it works differently, or maybe different parts of my brain are used, " said Herbert, 42, an early employee of Cisco Systems who says he solved his toughest technical problems while tripping to drum solos by the Grateful Dead -- who were among the many artists inspired by LSD.
"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing," said Herbert who intervened to ban drug testing of technologists at Cisco Systems.
Herbert, who lives in Santa Cruz, California, joined 2,000 researchers, scientists, artists and historians gathered here over the weekend to celebrate the 100th birthday of Albert Hofmann, the Swiss chemist who discovered LSD here in 1938. The centenarian received a congratulatory birthday letter from the Swiss president, roses and a spontaneous kiss from a young woman in the crowd.
In many ways, the conference, LSD: Problem Child and Wonder Drug, an International Symposium on the Occasion of the 100th Birthday of Albert Hofmann, was a scientific coming-out party for the drug Hofmann fathered.
"LSD wanted to tell me something," Hofmann told the gathering Friday. "It gave me an inner joy, an open mindedness, a gratefulness, open eyes and an internal sensitivity for the miracles of creation."
Bent with age but still eloquent, Hofmann said he hoped the symposium would encourage the renewed therapeutic and spiritual use of LSD in supervised settings.
Lysergic acid diethylamide, a derivative of lysergic acid found in the alkaloids of the ergot grain fungus, has been illegal worldwide since the mid-1960s and still generates controversy. The conference was picketed Saturday by a splinter group from Scientology opposed to drug use.
The storied history of LSD as a mind-expanding tool began five years after Hofmann discovered LSD-25, and had what he described as a "peculiar presentiment" compelling him to resynthesize the drug. Without ingesting the substance, Hofmann managed to accidentally absorb enough of the chemical to experience its effects. In a second intentional trip, Hoffman said he had a frightening experience that gave way to feelings of rebirth.
During the 1950s and 1960s, LSD was found to be a promising tool for psychiatry and psychotherapy and was studied by the CIA as a potential interrogation weapon. It was criminalized after it escaped from the lab to be widely embraced by the youth culture.
Hofmannn said millions of people have taken LSD, but some had bad reactions when they took counterfeit drugs. He would like to see a modern Eleusis, the ancient Greek site that held the rituals of Eleusinian Mysteries which took place for two millennia beginning in 1500 BC. During the LSD symposium, mythologist Carl P. Ruck and chemist Peter Webster presented their research suggesting that an ergot preparation was the active ingredient for the Kykeon beverage used during the ritual.
"When Hofmann synthesized the chemical in LSD, he stumbled upon a 4,000-year-old secret," said Ruck, author of Road to Eleusis.
In 1958, Hofmann was the first to isolate the psychoactive substances of psilocybin and psilocin from Mexican magic mushrooms (psilocybe mexicana) which were among a variety of sacred plants used around the world to invite ecstatic and spiritual experiences.
The United States Supreme Court is now considering an appeal brought by the New Mexican chapter of the Uniao do Vegetal, or UDV, which uses the outlawed ayahauska brew in its ceremonies and cites the Eleusinian Mysteries as a precedent for a psychoactive Eucharist.
At the symposium, presentations of electronic trance music and psychedelic art by painter Alex Grey encouraged meditative and spiritual reflection for participants -- especially those in altered states of consciousness.
Participants eager to describe their modern-day spiritual LSD experiences were encouraged to contribute to a library of drug experiences on the Erowid website. Earth and Fire Erowid, who operate the site, presented a sampling of comments at the symposium and documented the two to five known deaths that have been associated with LSD.
Geri Beil of Cologne, Germany, who attended the symposium, recalled his own ecstatic LSD experience on an Indian beach on New Year's day, 2000. "I was crying from happiness, so thankful to my parents that they created me," said Beil. "This experience has not disappeared; it has had a lasting effect."
Like Herbert, many scientists and engineers also report heightened states of creativity while using LSD. During a press conference on Friday, Hofmann revealed that he was told by Nobel-prize-winning chemist Kary Mullis that LSD had helped him develop the polymerase chain reaction that helps amplify specific DNA sequences.
Read More http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/01/70015#ixzz13078zdi1

Further ... do a data wake on People who use LSD
Have a look here CLICK ME
a nice little chart from our friends at Erowid
What might you deduce from a typical LSD user ... ??
Artistic Creative ... that can't be bad in your discipline of choice ... can it ??

My two cents.
 

ThatGuy113

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In my experience those with the most questions, should stay the farthest away.
Too active minds for complete surrender.
I feel like thats a solid idea. My mind is always going a million miles a minute, its just how i function (Thats why i smoke weed lol). I mean the reason im intrigued is the trip itself but theres just to much that im uneasy about. Sub conscious self preservation is a bitch sometimes.
 

JayTrinity

Active Member
LSD is totally fun. You wont go mad. If you have a bad mental illness and take all kinds of medications then dont try it.
A friend that was on meds took LSD, I told him not to. He was taken to the bottom of the ocean and given an anal probe.

For me? I started taking LSD before pot or beer.
 

ThatGuy113

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You are a perfect product child of the war on drugs ....(not your fault) what the fuck is a gateway drug anyway ? But you bought into it.
You either alter your perception with substances ... or you don't .... that is what this is about .... you need to come in terms with that.
Only then you will be ready for L.

Please realize that you are dealing with a Tryptamine here. This potion will bring all your Unconscious Material to the surface (your awareness)
so you have to be ready to deal with that .... otherwise you will wig out. Thus you must be mentally stable.
Now please realize that bringing unconscious material to the surface could be a very powerful (positive experience)
In your case ... as an engineer .... such trip might make profound impact .... on the way you think .... in terms of your creativity/thought process ... etc
Solving complex problems in .... a radically different way .... never perceived before .....look up some research on that you you need to convince yourself.

Have a glance at this:


That's not at all that what i was arguing about i truly myself do not marijuana or acid are gateway drugs. My whole crusade is trying to fight the idea marijuana is a gateway drug by playing their game. The way i figure it is i can make at least a personal statement if i go my whole life with only smoking herb then im proving the people who love their stereotypes wrong. I mean i know for a fact if i never met that man on my street who never came back from his trip i would have a different feeling on the subject. Thats the danger involved, no one can convince you of something unless its tangible. Even if the risk of never coming back is miniscule you still cant garentee anyone 100% of the time it's going to get a good hit. They might agree and do it but they still were never 100% sure and just had faith in the person they trusted which is how it should be.
 

SCbudboy

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Cid is extremely fun!! Its worth trying. Just dont do anything stupid if you do try it. Like take a whole lot. Its an expierence worth trying.
I only did it once and i went on a walk around my neighborhood. Best thing ever lol. I ended up bring watermelons to my friends house? Still trying to figure out where i got them from hahaha
 

ThatGuy113

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I think the whole holdup here is i feel a need to be in control, so when i have a choice to try something new i figure out the risks and see if to me it's worth the chance to let go and just go with the flow. Im a very type B personality kind of person in every other respect of my life but i always have control over myself and every action i take even if it is split second is still i know exactly what im doing at all times. Even when i drink ive never gotten to the point where i could not remember things or know where i am, while still getting pretty blasted.
 

Puffer Fish

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Stop fighting crusades .... get some fluff .... or needle point .... so you know you have good hits before hand ... and take yourself on a trip.
I do lots of engineering/programming/art ....stuff ... and let me tell you.
LSD has revolutionized the way I Problem solve.
Fighting crusades ... and missing the power of this substance ... is a total time drain.

;)

Happy Tripping

P.S
Talk to Sr. Verde ... he just dropped for the first time recently .... noting out of control ..... think of LSD as am amplifier ...
Do you know anything about resonance and feed back .... as an engineer ??
That is what LSD is ... it is a new filter through with to perceive things ... that is all .... nothing out of control.
 

Johnny Retro

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The title of this thread is screamin peer pressure. If you dose, you do it beacue YOU wanted to do it. Before i was into acid i was just like you. I thought drugs are the worst thing ever. I thought if i got into other drugs other than weed id be roaming the streets robbing kids to get my next fix. But acid isnt like that one bit. Acid brings fourth your unconsious mind and opens up a diffrent perspective on things. Its made me a better person IMO. But i did it because I wanted to, not because "my friends are trying to get me to consider dropping"
 

gogrow

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That's not at all that what i was arguing about i truly myself do not marijuana or acid are gateway drugs. My whole crusade is trying to fight the idea marijuana is a gateway drug by playing their game. The way i figure it is i can make at least a personal statement if i go my whole life with only smoking herb then im proving the people who love their stereotypes wrong. I mean i know for a fact if i never met that man on my street who never came back from his trip i would have a different feeling on the subject. Thats the danger involved, no one can convince you of something unless its tangible. Even if the risk of never coming back is miniscule you still cant garentee anyone 100% of the time it's going to get a good hit. They might agree and do it but they still were never 100% sure and just had faith in the person they trusted which is how it should be.
I am a firm believer that "bad acid" is an urban legend.... no bad acid only bad mindsets, and it seems you could possibly fall into that category.... stay away from hallucinogens until YOU actually want to do them, if ever.
 

ThatGuy113

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The title of this thread is screamin peer pressure. If you dose, you do it beacue YOU wanted to do it. Before i was into acid i was just like you. I thought drugs are the worst thing ever. I thought if i got into other drugs other than weed id be roaming the streets robbing kids to get my next fix. But acid isnt like that one bit. Acid brings fourth your unconsious mind and opens up a diffrent perspective on things. Its made me a better person IMO. But i did it because I wanted to, not because "my friends are trying to get me to consider dropping"

Thats not at all what i said. I said i have nothing against acid itself and i do not think its a gateway drug or will lead to other things like your suggesting. There is no peer pressure, they just keep joking around about it cause they know i am slightly serious but this wouldn't be the first time ive said no to them. They dont care if i do or not, i said earlier im not going to do it unless im comfortable with it.

The idea im trying to put accross is im playing by there rules. Im not discrediting any other drug by saying that i don't want to perpetuate the gateway stereotype. So that being the only issue im referring to, not that the other drugs are bad but that the fact about someone just smokes marijuana and never does anything else. How else can you beat there game if you dont play by their rules. You may look down on the other side of the gatway issue but they have their points to prove. So just telling them they are wrong wont work, in other words actions speak louder then words. Lets say there are 2 people having a conversation. One is someone who believes marijuana is a gateway drug and the other is someone who does not but who has smoked and done another sort of drug. Now the person who believes the gateway will hear person B talk about how its not a gateway drug but look they have used something else. So that would discredit person B's argument against the gateway drug. Now if you are in my position you have a better chance of proving to someone that the gateway does not exist because you yourself are a example of someone who never ventured off into anything else. Doing this im not trying to pass judgment on any other drug but if we want marijuana legal we cant let their fears control their vetos. Why do you think anti-pot legislators are jumping on the "if we legalize marijuana they will want to legalize everything else" boat. So if we can make a bigger gap between the thinking of marijuana and other drugs it would be out best chance. The idea would be to make it as socially acceptable as alcohol. The anti-pot settlement will only let their guard down if we treat them like scared children that beleive in the boogie man.
 

Johnny Retro

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I think your too hung up on what people think man. "gateway drug" is what the government calls it. I do drugs because i like exploring the altered state of mind. Im not ashamed in that. It seems like you constantly argue weather its a gateway drug or not. Why does it matter is what their think? People who belive that its a gateway drug are always gona belive that. No matter how much you argue, its truely hard to change someones mind.
 

ayr0n

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id recommend starting off with a less potent hallucinigen. if you dont like the effects of something weaker i wouldnt even consider dropping. no point jumping in a lake if u cant swim ya dig?
 
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