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Free Will

BongTokinAlcoholic420

BongTokinAlcoholic420

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A conclusion THREAD to my idea about Free Will being an Illusion...

Did you choose to be able to choose? .... And did you choose to "believe" you have free will, and if you did, how did you come to that conclusion?? Just Wondering ..
 
BA142

BA142

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Yes, we choose. There is no "higher power" guiding our every decision.

I guess that's just my opinion, but it's pretty much fact. We have to the power to make our own decisions.
 
PeyoteReligion

PeyoteReligion

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Even those that beleive we have no free will, or that everything is pre destined, still look both ways before crossing the street.
 
PeyoteReligion

PeyoteReligion

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tyler.durden said:
Yes, but whether you look or not to cross is predetermined ;)
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Says who? The bible? If you think that then my whole point sailed over your head. If you truley believed everything was predetermined then you wouldn't need to look across the street before crossing."god" would either guide you across safely or just kill you with a bus. No point in even looking if it's PREDETERMINED right? Yet even the most religious god fearing people look both ways because in their brain they know there is no god getting them across safely. Wether they admit it to themselves or not.
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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PeyoteReligion said:
Says who? The bible? If you think that then my whole point sailed over your head. If you truley believed everything was predetermined then you wouldn't need to look across the street before crossing."god" would either guide you across safely or just kill you with a bus. No point in even looking if it's PREDETERMINED right? Yet even the most religious god fearing people look both ways because in their brain they know there is no god getting them across safely. Wether they admit it to themselves or not.
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Are you saying that the Lord Jesus Christ is not protecting me while I cross the street?
 
Doer

Doer

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Yet, we don't know all the choices. And can we do the one simple thing? Can we even for 1 second, control the attention away from the distraction of nattering self dialog? To be free of doubt and shame? To not be ridden by expectation and regret? To see what is Self, in a fuller sense than the retard that won't shut up inside? No Shudda, wudda, cudda? Ignore what makes us do bad things? To have peace of mind? That's free will.

Mind control. The Virtue of patience as the mad world spins. Free.
 
BongTokinAlcoholic420

BongTokinAlcoholic420

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Before reading any replies, here's what i've come up wit:


when you have a choice to make, you choose the one more appealing to your desires...
their's no reason to choose the less appealing choice...
you choose the choice that you think will give you something
based on your desire, and based on your motive's about the said decision, along with a Hopeful prediction in the outcome.so you choose something due to you wanting to fulfill the desire, and wanting the outcome to benefit you in some way.to get the outcome you desire. so desire has direct and complete influence on your decision making.
Free will is a slave to instinct and desire... so basically you decide on a choice based on your expectation of gaining something better than the other choice(s). you want soemthing more than the choice you don't choose, hoping it is the better choice...

Does any of this make sense?
Like if i think i have two choices i think this choice is better so i'm going to choose it, the other choice is not going to be chosen at all, even though I have the opportunity to choose it.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
BongTokinAlcoholic420 said:
Before reading any replies, here's what i've come up wit:


when you have a choice to make, you choose the one more appealing to your desires...
their's no reason to choose the less appealing choice...
you choose the choice that you think will give you something
based on your desire, and based on your motive's about the said decision, along with a Hopeful prediction in the outcome.so you choose something due to you wanting to fulfill the desire, and wanting the outcome to benefit you in some way.to get the outcome you desire. so desire has direct and complete influence on your decision making.
Free will is a slave to instinct and desire... so basically you decide on a choice based on your expectation of gaining something better than the other choice(s). you want soemthing more than the choice you don't choose, hoping it is the better choice...

Does any of this make sense?
Like if i think i have two choices i think this choice is better so i'm going to choose it, the other choice is not going to be chosen at all, even though I have the opportunity to choose it.
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In a sense, this merely shifts the problem onto another word. "Desite is as complex and layered a concept as will imo. Which desire will I validate? The immediate one to take a nap? The not quite so immediate one to buy a big bag of Peanut M&Ms that'll go nicely with the evening's hemp consumption? Or the longer-range one to save my money now so that I might party next week?
...or buy that book that'll help me choose a better colege?

So imo desire is a complex-enough concept that it fascinated the Epicureans, and deciding which one how ... places demands on our judgment.
I submit for consideration that judgment is the outcome of cooperation between values and ... will. Pass Go; collect $200. cn
 
Doer

Doer

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In my experience, it is Desire that robs us of Free Will. Desire makes of do things without regard to consequence. The choice was there, but the Desire robbed us of Choice.
 
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