Flower For Sex Then Back To Veg?

I am going to have a five plant scrog (hopefully). I am going to recieve my seeds soon (hopefully). I want to do a scrog but I dont wanna get plants all wrapped up after a month of veg. then determine I have a male. I am thinking of immediately flowering plants to sex them then clone the most successful female(s). In this train of thought I wondered though - what if they are all fem and I have begun flowering. I am pretty much stuck cloning eventhough these are successful fems. Unless it is possible to go back to veg as soon as I determine sex or will this stress these fems to hermie? I would hate to not clone and lose all plants to hermie but on the other hand I would hate to lose 3 to 4 weeks just to determine the sex (with cloning etc). I will if I have to but that kinda sucks. Hopefully this rambling didnt just make your head explode. Any thoughts?

Welcome to the forum. Confusing as hell ain't it, at least it was for me. By the time you sex it, revert it and clone it, seems like you could almost be smokin it. I have the Merristem of a plant I didn't clone in my grow room to remind me extra cloning is not expensive and is the easiest way for me. Let me explain. When I started I, like a lot of us used some 'bag seed' and ordered some named seeds. I tried a little cloning, wasn't all that successful. Never cloned this 'first crop' plant. I got a little over 2 oz. even after I overdried it off of that plant. I vowed not to let that happen again. SO I did some research. Here is how I do it.
From seed, I will take two clones from every plant when they are ready to put them into flowering. In sog or scrog you would be trimming off at least the bottom 1/3 of the branches anyway. I mark the clones taken so I know which plant they came from. And two weeks later, when I do the final trim of the bottom 1/3, I take at least two more clones from each plant, mark them of course. Within the next two weeks I will know which ones are males and of course get rid of all of them as soon as they show sex.
The only loss I have this way is the medium I put the male clones and flowering plants in. Having that First Harvest Plant back? priceless.....VV

If you plan on cloning, why don't you take clones from your plants before you begin to Scrog. Then flower the clones to see which plants are male and which are female. Or you could use your first plants as mother plants and then the first set of clones you cut you could do a Sog to determine all of the sexes and then the second set of clones you cut from the females could be for you Scrog.

I think that since you are doing Scrog from non-feminized seeds the most important thing you will need to do is have patience. Either you will need to cut clones before you start to Scrog and sex the clones, or flower and then reveg your plants to sex them, or you can gamble and just start Scrogging (and you can curse yourself later while you are cutting males out of the screen).

Thanks alot for the advice folks. I am ordering God Bud (feminized) but I know...I know... I am kicking myself for it now. I paid extra but its still not gauranteed. I know. But anyway, VIC - do you have a veg room or what? I mean what do you do with those clones in the mean time while your main room is scroggin? How long can you maintain stasis? I read keeping the clippings wet in a plastic ziploc and keepin in the fridge (growfaq) but I don't know I never tried that.

there is no need to "sex" the plants veg them untill thay are sexually mature and thay will show pre flowers and tell you. I say keep a clone of the male as well for future breeding if you have good stock.

I say "sex" as in determining there sexual traits...

what they are talking about is correct, when your plants have reached maturity and are ready to go into flowering they will show sex. Earl has a thread posted on doing this. The way I figure it, you need the cloning experience anyways. You can keep the clones for extra time if necessary, and you are right there are methods posted for doing this. Some of the folks don't keep them in veg very long if at all, just long enough to root under 24 hr light and then into the flowering. This is typical for Sog and Scrog growers. The difference using the method I described has to do with were the clones come from. Using this method, I am taking clones from the bottom of the plant (duh) and they usually take a little longer to get going that ones taken from farther up the plant, I attribute that to thier age, they are the newest. I have slow grown clones for a month or two depending on need. VV

fallinghigh said:

there is no need to "sex" the plants veg them untill thay are sexually mature and thay will show pre flowers and tell you. I say keep a clone of the male as well for future breeding if you have good stock.

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wow, from newbie don't know how to sex to breeder in one day, that is your suggestion?? Please, use a spoon, not a bulldozer. VV

I thnk you guys for all the info...I have been studying all of this for months and I am aware of the steps in determining sex. My question is whether or not it is possible to do the following in this order:
1. veg for 48 hrs
2. force flower just long enough to determine the sex of each plant (approximately 1 week).
3 eradicate the males
4 force the successful females back into vegetation to get more plant growth (approximately a month)
5 resume flowering for two months until harvest.
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I guess I am just trying to find the quickest way to get to vegging 5 plants all females.

What they are saying is that while it is possible, it is not the most efficient way of doing things. It is probably easier to take some clones and sex those.

I want to determine the sex before I clone. IfI flower from the beginning and they are all girls then I am already stuck in flowering and I am wondering if it is then too late to revert back to veg to get more plant growth before "actual flowering". I must not be doin a good job describing what I am trying to avoid. If I start flowering at the the beginning of growth then my yield potentcy will suffer etc. I think I am just gonna start all five on veg until they naturally show sex (5 weeks out or so)while weaving the scrog the whole time. If one comes up male I will just have to cut him out.

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/38684-micro-sexing-before-taking-clones.html Here is the link to how you would pre-sex them. VV

Thank you very very much VV. That pretty much explains it. Thanks to everyone on the input. I guess I couldve found it, I just didnt know the term micro sexing as I searched tags forever. Thanks alot again everyone.

I read in high times that you can force into flower (weed out the males) really early, then force back into veg by putting under 24 hours of light? Is this not true?

happy.fuzz said:

I thnk you guys for all the info...I have been studying all of this for months and I am aware of the steps in determining sex. My question is whether or not it is possible to do the following in this order:
1. veg for 48 hrs
2. force flower just long enough to determine the sex of each plant (approximately 1 week).
3 eradicate the males
4 force the successful females back into vegetation to get more plant growth (approximately a month)
5 resume flowering for two months until harvest.
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I guess I am just trying to find the quickest way to get to vegging 5 plants all females.

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Plant 2 feminised seeds, of two different types (white widow + cheese I think I used, but whatever you desire). When the plants are 4 weeks old take 2 clones off each, flower all of them at 8-9 weeks (all mine were female as expected). Just before starting to flower take another 12 clones in total - from the original 2 plants + the 3 clones.

6 female clones then vegging, while the 5 main plants flower - all guaranteed to be female forever onwards - or until the process is stopped.

In the very unlikely event that one plant turns out to be male, simply disgard the clones and original plant, and take more clones from the other. I have never had this, i cannot imagine 2 feminised seeds both turning out to be males.

Obviously the clones were about 18 inches shorter than the mothers, so were propped up with large plant pots upside down, so the top canopy was at the same level.

Naturally the next 5 cloned plants will be more uniform.

Im no expert btw, but the clones have had 100% success + im growing indica/sativa cross feminised seeds, which are mainly indica. The lights are envirolite combos, the flowering room is an airing cupboard with a fan, the veg room is a small indoor greenhouse in the same room covered to minimise light. The light is dim from the veg area, and the main room in dark cycle is protected further by a door which has only a 1cm gap, it is not TOTAL darkness but is overkill for how dark it need be (remember they can flower without disruption from moonlight outside + it's nowhere near that - you can't see the plants in the dark cycle with the naked eye at all).

That was rather wordy + I dunno if it's any help, but I'm pleased with the method + results so far.

In short:
Feminised seeds 2 - target=5 flowering 6 vegging
Clone as quickly as you reasonably can, flower all 5 4 weeks later (after taking alot more clones to separate).