Federal government approves first device for testing drivers' saliva for cannabis

gb123

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Roadside saliva-testing devices were authorized by Bill C-46, a massive overhaul of Canada's impaired driving laws that passed in June

OTTAWA — The federal government’s crackdown on drug-impaired driving has taken a big step forward, as the Justice Department has given its blessing to Canada’s first roadside saliva test.

Once in use, police officers will be able to swab a driver’s mouth to test for the presence of THC, the main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis.

Roadside saliva-testing devices were authorized by Bill C-46, a massive overhaul of Canada’s impaired driving laws that passed in June.

But before police could order any devices, a model had to be approved by Attorney General Jody Wilson-Raybould — and she has been waiting for the advice of an independent committee made up of toxicologists and traffic safety experts.

That advice has finally come, and Wilson-Raybould has now given notice of a ministerial order approving use of the Draeger DrugTest 5000, produced by a company based in Germany. The device is already approved in other countries, including the United Kingdom and Germany, though a Justice Department spokesperson noted it may be configured differently to meet Canadian standards.

The approval of the Draeger device means it was tested in a National Research Council laboratory and passed an evaluation by the Canadian Society of Forensic Science. It’s possible more devices will be approved for use later on.

In addition, Public Safety Canada and the RCMP ran a pilot project last year on oral fluid screening devices and concluded they were “a useful additional tool for Canadian law enforcement.” The Draeger device was not one of the two used in the pilot project.

Currently, police check for drug-impaired driving at the roadside by using a standardized field sobriety test, which can involve tests such as standing on one foot or walking in a straight line.

The saliva-testing device, which is also approved to test for cocaine, provides police with a powerful new tool to detect recent drug use (within approximately the last six hours). A failed test gives police reasonable grounds to bring a driver in for further testing, including a blood test or an examination by a drug recognition expert.

The science around detecting drug-impaired driving is much less established than it is for detecting alcohol-impaired driving, and the reliability of the devices is likely to be challenged in court by defence lawyers.

One particular concern is how well the devices will operate in the harsh Canadian winters. The pilot project included using the devices in the dead of winter in Saskatchewan and the Northwest Territories. It concluded they were largely effective, though “there were some temperature-related issues that arose when the devices were used in extreme cold temperatures.”

Officials have suggested police may be able to conduct the tests inside their warm cars when temperatures drop far below freezing.

It took longer than expected for a device to be approved for use. Testifying at a Senate committee last February, government officials estimated the testing would be finished by March; they later acknowledged that had proven optimistic.

With the legalization date pushed back to Oct. 17, there is now a better chance police will be equipped with them in time. But the ministerial order still needs to wait for a 30-day notice period, and then the devices need to be ordered and frontline officers need to be trained on their use.

A Public Safety spokesperson said the federal government is making $81 million available over five years for provinces and territories to buy screening devices and train more officers to recognize drug impairment. The federal government also plans to have a standardized price and procurement process for the devices that provinces and territories can opt into.

Once the ministerial order is signed, “law enforcement across Canada will be able to order the drug screener immediately,” the statement said. “Each province and territory will determine the number of drug screening devices required to meet their own needs.”

The roadside screening devices are only one part of the government’s strategy to prevent drug-impaired driving. It has also budgeted $62.5 million over five years on a public education strategy, including advertising campaigns.

It also brought in “per se” limits for drug blood levels, a legal shortcut that means police can lay criminal charges based solely on a driver’s level of THC in the blood, without having to further prove impairment.

When it comes to alcohol, C-46 controversially gave police the ability to demand a roadside breath sample without needing suspicion the driver has been drinking — a measure critics have blasted as unconstitutional. However, police will still need grounds to suspect a driver has consumed drugs before demanding a roadside saliva test.
 

WHATFG

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Officials have suggested police may be able to conduct the tests inside their warm cars when temperatures drop far below freezing.
Ya....that's not going to work..
It also brought in “per se” limits for drug blood levels, a legal shortcut that means police can lay criminal charges based solely on a driver’s level of THC in the blood, without having to further prove impairment.
...wow...nice little disclaimer...

...for all our sake, Tousaw should be the first one pulled over.
 

WHATFG

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Once the ministerial order is signed, “law enforcement across Canada will be able to order the drug screener immediately,” the statement said. “Each province and territory will determine the number of drug screening devices required to meet their own needs.”
...hopefully the provinces will see how much fucking money is being wasted on this....
 

The Hippy

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...hopefully the provinces will see how much fucking money is being wasted on this....
Wish so ...but doubt it. These are Golden Egg Laying Machines for the gov. Plenty of fines and fee for the courts and cops and everyone else and their grandmother.Much better business than before. Then they had to find some poor unfortunate soul with some weed on him and bust his ass. Now just scan the plates into the data base and test every car that pings.
This is the worst affront to freedom in Canada I can ever remember or imagined. Gonna be funny when joe normal gets tested. The fun is about to start.
 

willieboy

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Does this just mean that folks will be eating brownies before heading out on the road instead of smoking a doobie ? I wonder if the magic machine picks up THC from edibles ?
 

Jefferson1977

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It takes longer for it to get in to your blood from edibles. Unless they contain coconut oil. That is a medium chain fatty acid and bypasses the liver and kidneys and goes directly to your bloodstream.
 

gb123

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I know that the next day after taking my meds I test positive before taking more..
My sister inlaw bought some test piss cups that test for 8 or 9 different things

anyway...the test cups did show I had THC in my system 12 hours later.
. So that would have me off to the cop shop for more tests..lol.
.well,,,Id sooner be arrested for not complying than have blood drawn from some fool who thinks he's a needle king all of a sudden. (:
 

CalyxCrusher

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It takes longer for it to get in to your blood from edibles. Unless they contain coconut oil. That is a medium chain fatty acid and bypasses the liver and kidneys and goes directly to your bloodstream.
It doesn't bypass the liver at all. Infact thats where the magic happens and THC is converted to 11-hydroxy THC which is 6 times more potent. That's why edibles should be taken at lower doses if you're new to them.

Medium Chain Triglycerides are more easily absorbed by the body and tend to hold more THC than butter
 
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gb123

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It takes longer for it to get in to your blood from edibles. Unless they contain coconut oil. That is a medium chain fatty acid and bypasses the liver and kidneys and goes directly to your bloodstream.
takes from one to two hours and

it goes directly through your liver and is why you get high!!!!!!!:idea: really really fucken high as well lol until you build up a tolerance. Some folks have a tolerance right off the hop.
One strain doesn't get them high but another does...and so on
now if ya stick it up your RUMP(::idea::hug:
No high........ because it bypasses the liver and goes directly into your blood! ;)

hope this helps!
 

CalyxCrusher

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If ya hoop it you'll get one hell of a high. Absorption is closer to 60%. It has to be decarbed of course. Freddy Pritchard had a livestream where he tried one. Works well for those who cant keep food down or have digestive issues.
 

gb123

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ummm

no you dont!!! @CalyxCrusher

and I speak from experience lol

My Air Canada pilot friend who died last year took it this way and felt nothing
he ate some one day thinking he would be fine..he ate 200 mg's couldnt move off the couch couldnt talk right and well was talking to people he didnt want to tak to ll he was fine afterward but
up the wazzo give NO HIGH

I know of kids in the UK who take it this way as well... so they get the "most benefit" correct... from it but no high from the liver ;)

some people put it on their gums this way so it goes direct and not through the liver..but if ya swallow some by mistake :shock:
 

CalyxCrusher

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Proof is in the pudding as they say. Cant deny simple science friend. What works for some may not for others. That doesn't make it conclusive. Read the literature on it.
Its absorbed into the blood yes, which then is metabolized by your liver. Thats how the body works. No bypassing the liver.
 
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