Emergency please help! (pics)

greenermannow

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A friend of mine found the fan leaves on the tops of one plant wilted/drooping this morning-not wilting from under watering but looks like they turned a darker color and just died or r dieing-the buds still seem ok so far-he's growing in containers under sunlight in clean well vent area and uses neem oil to control bugs-there is a slight mold factor since the walls and floor r wood and get wet regularly-but he keeps it clean and everything has been great up till now and no other plant is affected yet-looks like a disease-but could it be over ferting? He's using super bloom food and has been watching them close for usual signs of over ferting but wouldn't the bottom leaves show signs of over fert first? Only the top is affected so far-he’s scared he may lose all-here's a few pics-any help would be greatly appreciated-thanks!
 

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what size pots
what for soil/how old soil and plants
what for nutes and how often
how much water/how often
do you know the ph

then i can begin to try to help
 
I don't think its an infestaion-he looked at the leaves with mag glass and don't see and bugs-it's looking more like a ph nut lock-up problem-I found some pics posted somewhere showing very similiar leaf problem which said was due to ph/nut lock-up but still looking for way to fix-

Bonz-I don't know the ph so guess thats first on the list-they have ph kits at wal-mart or lowes maybe?

he using 4 or 5 gal styrofoam coolers with holes in bottom-layer of gravel below mir-grow soil-has excellent drainage-uses tap water and mir-grow for nutes during veg and started greenthumb 10-50-10 bloom booster when budding started-he lets the soil dry some before watering-usually couple times a week-feeds usually day after watering-so also couple times a week-soil was new begining of spring and plants were started in march-so about 5-6 months old-he used same everything last year-his first year-with no problems-except he's furt better this year

he just found another plant with some leaves similiar to first one-here's a pic-but the second plant's tops r not affected yet-

Thank u very much for the help and responses-sure appreciate it-
 

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ya flush.
get a cheepo liquid ph tester for now, the pool ones aren`t that good . not enough range up and down on the ones i saw. try and stay to a garden store.
i`ve never heard someone growing in stirofoam before but i`m not to shure if it`s verry good for them. that stuff is pretty toxic to us.
that leave shows me more than 1 def and that tells me lock up. also the mg is super bad for salting up.
flush with 2 to 3 times the volume of soil and no nutes. i will post a sort of large read for ya on mg, take what you can out of it and use it it works.

weekly schedual (dirt & hydro IF you change the water weekly) and Phasic feeding for bubblers.
Phasic shedules can be followed for soil-- but do not work as well!

ALL MEASURES ARE PER U.S. GALLON...
Hope this helps!!!


EDITED NOTE FOR PHASIC FEEDINGS!!!
Unless your Nutes specific schedule tells you what to do for sprouting and seedling, you need to cut back on the nutes for that stage BEFORE youconsider it to be "phase one"
Week ONE is NOT as soon as they are sprouted and have leaves! Week one is after they have 4 sets of true leaves---
Start your new seedlings in JUST Ph adjusted water (can use hydrogard & superthrive)
When they get their 3rd set of leaves--add HALF of the amound called for in phase 1 of your phasic schedule--
When they open another 2 sets of leaves (fully!) then add the other 1/2 to bring it to the amount required for "Phase 1" this will greatly reduce the possibility of nute-burn or over feeding...and allows the babies to adjust to the nutes easier.
FOR MIRACLE GROW NUTES :

If you really MUST use Miracle Grow Nutes or Soil cuz there isn't anything else available (cost can't be a reason, MG is about the same price as some organics !)

THEN USE THIS GUIDE PLEASE!!!

(enough for 2-3 plants .. just use more jugs for more plants!)
Get regular miracle grow (Not tomato or Rose food or azalea formula!)
AND Blossom Booster (or Schultz Professional Bloom food)
get 2- 1 gallon jugs of spring water from the store (about $1 each)
and an empty jug. Mark them (A) (B) & (C) --- (B) is the empty jug!

in the 1st jug (A) mix the MG at 1/4 the recomended rate for indoor plants.

In the 2nd jug (C), mix at 1/2 stregnth for indoor plants.

pour 1/2 of both into the empty jug (B)

Now-- when your plants get their 3rd set of leaves, feed once every 10 days. Start with (A) for the 1st 2 feed... then (B).. and end-up with (C) the week before you go 12/12.

FLUSH YOUR PLANTS WITH 5 GALLONS OF CLEAR WATER BEFOR GOING 12/12!

MG builds up-- and will lock-up as you add the stronger bloom nutes!
as the final part of the flush-- pour in a couple pints of your new bloom nutes (see below)


Do the same with your bloom nutes, Mix ahead in larger amounts... BUT--mix Jug (A) at 1/2 rate, Jug (C) at full stregnth-- and (B) the 2 mixed.

Start with (A) the 1st day of 12/12, then again in 10 days,
then switch to (B). Do not switch to (C) until the week before you flush for harvest!
when the trichomes just start turning cloudy, give em their last dose. In 10 days, check the trichs again.. if not all cloudy, you can feed again-- But go back to (B)

MAKE SURE TO FLUSH WELL AND WAIT THE FULL 2 WEEKS TO HARVEST!

You need to flush all the Nitrogen and magnesium out of the plants-- so Flush them well, put back in the bloom room the full 2 weeks till harvest, water as needed .. but absolutely no nutes or foliar sprays!

IF you foliar fed during the grow-- be sure to use a sprayer of water to gently shower it off the plants! (also gets rid of dead bugs & dust stuck to the buds!)

USING MG SOIL IS NEVER RECOMENDED!!
it has TIME RELEASED nutes-- so flushing is impossible... and you do not know how much nutes are being released or used by the plants.
If yYou Used MG soil, do NOT nute at all during veg... and use only additional P-K and suppliments without "N" during bloom...
And pre-harvest flushing can NOT be done on the normal 2 week schedule because of the time released nutes-- you must emergency flush when the trichs are how ya want em...



Cut the plant off at soil level. Place plant in a bucket with enough PLAIN tapwater to cover the base, but not touch lower limbs or vegetation....

Add a bubbler to the bucket to help "fool" the plant into thinking it is still alive (this only works up to 4 days before they wilt!)
Tthe plant will now use the nutrients stored in it's system . Leave under the lights at least 2 days-- up to 4 (3 is the usual amount)
IF you are one who puts their plants in the dark the last 3 days, give em at least 24 hours under lights before ya do... the photosynthesis will help the plant flush out unused nitrogen.


When using MG Fertilizer (as well as Schultz or Peter's ) Watch for:
Clawing
brown dry spots
crinckling leaves
pale new growth
Yellowing

if these happen, flush the plant, and wait 2-3 days before feeding again.
If Using MG soil and this happens, your best route is to re-plant in a bigger planter with different soil... DO NOT try to remove the existing soil from the roots of the plant!!!!

Good luck--
MG may not be the best-- but it CAN work!

HOPE THIS HELPS CLEAR UP THE "HOW DO I USE THIS" QUESTIONS!!!

Source: Lady Zandra
 
Thanks very much for the info bonz-sure appreciate it-I just got back from wal-mart and got a pool tester strips-only ones i could find-no garden store nearby but am going to order better ones-u r right not enough range but starts at 6.8 and goes up so i figured i'd get some idea and sure enough shows ph at 8.4-is that far enough off will lock it up?

so after flushing good should be ok? what would u recommend to bring down ph to 6.8?

thanks again very much bonz-i really appreciate it man-
 
hell ya. that will lock up tighter than a nun`s ....well you know.
be carefull flushing may not lower ph in the soil. the ideal ph for the nute mix is 6.3 to 6.8 so your tester is going to be off a bit till ya get the better one. that ph is for soil use.

for now ph water, 3 times the volume of soil do your flush. then let drain and back under light then leave it till it realy dries up could take a week to dry. then feel the weight of dry pots now water (ph water only) and get a bit of run off and test it again. dont add nothing till then, see if it lowers first. may need more of a flush. mg is bad stuff for this.
here`s a link on ph good read

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