Early Miss Auto keeps growing

AndThenThereWasOne

AndThenThereWasOne

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This is my very first grow ever. I am a Newbie. I was going to post in the Newbie section but decided to go to the Auto-Flowering section, I'm getting NO response from anyone in that Forum. IF I have made a mistake posting here, I'm sorry. It is sometimes difficult to Newbies to figure out where to post.

They are Early Miss Autoflowers.

This plant along with three others have been in a 2x4x6 tent with constant 600w grow veg lights for a bit over 2 months. I did not do light cycles. They are planted in a super soil mix, and I have fed nutrients ever so often, about every 2 days. Nutrients were Grow, Micro, and Flower. The ph is a bit high, about 8. Even with ph down it was difficult to get it past 9. I check the ph of the water (with or without nutrients) and bring it down to 4 before watering.......still can't get it below 8.

I do see that some leaves are yellowing, not quit sure why. Might be nutrient burn, but I've been pretty lean on the nutrients, or they are getting ready to be harvested.

The tall one just keeps growing and has overpower the runt of the seedlings. The other 3 (including the runt) are flowering. Should I top the tall one? . Or should I chop the tall one down and let the little runt do it's thing?

Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

The monster, not flowering.
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The runt, which was a seedling I didn't think would make it.....
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hexthat

hexthat

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Its possible that one of your autoflowers is not autoflower... not uncommon for a ruderalis cross.
Just treat it like a normal photo-period cannabis plant.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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Cut all nitrogen out. We experienced the same issue here when a new grower kept feeding the autos. I planted 4 autos on May 15 in 5 gallon buckets. Used medium. Watered them only and then in late June heavy rain soaked them.

I fed these flowering plants for the first time yesterday. Autos just don’t need nutes. Not like people want to give them. I’ve got 25 other photos in various stages from clones to big vegging plants and a flower tent. I use plenty of nutes. Not on the autos.
 
vostok

vostok

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I suspect you are in you ignorance running 24/7 as these plants are about the most tired I've ever seen

prevent the forthcoming nute burn by missing a few feeds just water and some 8/16 sleep is ideal

treat them like your goldfish? cat or dog you had as a kid

not as a vending fucking machine

cheers/
 
AndThenThereWasOne

AndThenThereWasOne

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vostok said:
I suspect you are in you ignorance running 24/7 as these plants are about the most tired I've ever seen

prevent the forthcoming nute burn by missing a few feeds just water and some 8/16 sleep is ideal

treat them like your goldfish? cat or dog you had as a kid

not as a vending fucking machine

cheers/
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Wow.....I bet you're a pleasure at parties and such.........

Thank you for the advice though acrid as it was.......

As I mentioned this is my first time growing, and I was under the impression that auto-flowers didn't require a light cycle. In that, I've also read that some auto-flower growers do a 18/4 light cycle. So I'll try that.

The following pics are of my other two.


My other two plants aren't doing too bad. But my next grow I'll be doing things differently. I've learned a lot from this grow.

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AndThenThereWasOne

AndThenThereWasOne

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hotrodharley said:
Cut all nitrogen out. We experienced the same issue here when a new grower kept feeding the autos. I planted 4 autos on May 15 in 5 gallon buckets. Used medium. Watered them only and then in late June heavy rain soaked them.

I fed these flowering plants for the first time yesterday. Autos just don’t need nutes. Not like people want to give them. I’ve got 25 other photos in various stages from clones to big vegging plants and a flower tent. I use plenty of nutes. Not on the autos.
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Thank you for the advice, I appreciate it.
 
AndThenThereWasOne

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hexthat said:
Its possible that one of your autoflowers is not autoflower... not uncommon for a ruderalis cross.
Just treat it like a normal photo-period cannabis plant.
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Thank you for the advice. Do you think that the Russian Cossack's advice of 8/16 will work at this stage of the game, or something more like 18/6?
 
AndThenThereWasOne

AndThenThereWasOne

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I've put the lighting on a 10/10 setting for now. SHHHH they are sleeping. No nutes. Will keep checking the .ph. We'll see if that tall monster flowers.

I chose auto's cuz they are the easiest to grow as I understand. Youtubed several people about how to grow, etc. There's all kinds of info on lighting but it varies tremendously.

So learn by doing is all I know to do.
 
Zogs

Zogs

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AndThenThereWasOne said:
Thank you for taking the time for another acrid comment. Ignorance is from a lack of knowledge and is cured by acquiring knowledge and by actually doing it and learning.

As I've stated, I'm a Newbie and this is my first grow.

I'm an artist by trade. If I'd set you down in front of a Miller Spectrum 875 plasma cutter, or a Millermatic 252 MIG, or even a simple stick welder, you'd be lost. I'd bet you'd jump the first time you lit an Oxyacetylene torch. God help you were you to have to use such equipment. I took many classes on welding.....so, I overcame ignorance on that skill.

So......instead of being an ass......be more constructive. If you don't want to encourage others that will eventually gain skill and "possibly" override your knowledge base (not saying that's me) then Gezuz H Kryst, STFU.......:cool:

If you're one of those anonymous abusive types of people......then just step on by.
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You do know that I was making fun of the guy calling you ignorant right ? And you do recall me taking the time to help you out In your other post don't you ?

just, wow...
 
AndThenThereWasOne

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Zogs said:
You do know that I was making fun of the guy calling you ignorant right ? And you do recall me taking the time to help you out In your other post don't you ?

just, wow...
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I'M SOOOOO VERY SORRY ZOGS!!!!!! I didn't notice the name. I do thank you for your help honestly. I deleted the post and hope you'll accept my apology. I'm very sorry. I got very confused on the quote and what you said. I didn't read it right.

I'm also new to forums like this. Geez, I have a degree in IT and an artist and I've never participated in forums. I see you were replying to the Russian Cossack's post. Now I know where to look.

Lesson learned and I hope you accept my apology.
 
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AndThenThereWasOne

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Neubieauto said:
Idk how I did that. My question was supposed to be separate. Are these crop king seeds?
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Yep. I didn't know any other good sources. And they were seeds that were a year old....almost. Took me a long time to get all the supplies. I have a newer set of these Early Miss Auto's from them that I'm planting after this one.
 
Neubieauto

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This strain from them is known to not flower and mutate due to unstable genetics. I dont think the age of the seeds has much to do. I grew 5 of these plants and did okay. Pulled 1.5 ozs from each plant that didn't mutate (2 of 5.) I definitely suggest not buying from crop king. They are not breeders. Not good ones at least. Go with fastbuds or dinafem or mephisto for good auto genetics. I'm sure there are more. But the general consensus is that these 3 are top notch. I order from seedsman. The fastbuds I have now are hands above crap king genetics. I have the chance to pull a qp from a single auto with the fastbuds green crack. It may be a 14 week auto but it'll got the job done
 
AndThenThereWasOne

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Neubieauto said:
This strain from them is known to not flower and mutate due to unstable genetics. I dont think the age of the seeds has much to do. I grew 5 of these plants and did okay. Pulled 1.5 ozs from each plant that didn't mutate (2 of 5.) I definitely suggest not buying from crop king. They are not breeders. Not good ones at least. Go with fastbuds or dinafem or mephisto for good auto genetics. I'm sure there are more. But the general consensus is that these 3 are top notch. I order from seedsman. The fastbuds I have now are hands above crap king genetics. I have the chance to pull a qp from a single auto with the fastbuds green crack. It may be a 14 week auto but it'll got the job done
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Thanks for the suggestions. Do you use light cycles? Yes, I know they are auto's. Some say yes, some say no.
 
Zogs

Zogs

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AndThenThereWasOne said:
Some say yes, some say no
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There isn't really a right answer. Some strains possibly do better with 24/7 and some don't. A lot of it comes down to environment. I'm from the Canadian prairies and our winters get pretty cold and so does my basement. I leave my lights on 24/7 during the winter months and 20/4 in summer. I don't really notice much of a difference, except a small one on my power bill.

I have how ever noticed, some plants learn their light cycle. 1-2 hours before lights out they will start to droop. That suggests to me that the particular strain may do better with a shorter light cycle. However, I still have not noticed any real difference come harvest time if that strain performed better with nap time or without.
 
Zogs

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Neubieauto said:
This strain from them is known to not flower and mutate due to unstable genetics
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I find this statement kind of interesting as I am just starting to dabble into breeding and genetics. I would question if this is more a case of bad breeding practices rather than poor genetics ? From my understanding, I think it's more likely that they used the same room to breed photo periods plants and didn't clean out all the pollen properly before they started their auto run or carried it over from another room.

In the interest of keeping this post short, I will not get into how they breed and why I question the genetic side of it.
 
Neubieauto

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Zogs said:
I find this statement kind of interesting as I am just starting to dabble into breeding and genetics. I would question if this is more a case of bad breeding practices rather than poor genetics ? From my understanding, I think it's more likely that they used the same room to breed photo periods plants and didn't clean out all the pollen properly before they started their auto run or carried it over from another room.

In the interest of keeping this post short, I will not get into how they breed and why I question the genetic side of it.
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To breed an auto from a photo you have to take aa (auto auto) and breed to pp (photo photo) this makes ap or pa and p is the dominant gene so all offspring will be photo plants. So you breed the offspring, now you will end up with 25 percent of those genetics ending showing the auto trait, then you breed two offspring that showed the auto trait and you get a semi stable strain. I feel that this is where crop king stopped. You have to back cross this to make it stable. They have not been bred down the line enough to be a stable auto genetic. The genetics that were started with were probably great but you have to finish the job before you sell auto seeds lol.
 
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