DMT extract help?

Legolandon

Member
I live near a place that has Reed Canary Grass growing everywhere, and was interested in extracting it's dmt to trip it. So I stumbled upon this dmt extraction method that Jonathan Ott wrote and was rather interested in it, here's what it said:

"PREPARATION

The simplest way to prepare phalaris is to use a wheat juice extractor. This device presses the juice out of the leaves and stalks. Of course dosage becomes harder to gauge. One report on the internet suggested 1 teaspoon as a good dose and 2 teaspoons as an extreme overdose, resulting in one freaky trip. It appears likely, and has been suggested in some reports, that alkaloid levels drop when the plant dries. By taking the fresh sap, alkaloid levels should be maximized.

Extraction of alkaloids can be performed on dry plant materials (based on Dr. Jonathan Ott's reports). An acid is used to exact the alkaloids of both the DMT and the MAOI containing plants. A solution of 1/3 lemon juice and 2/3 water is used to quickly boil the plant material. Pour off and repeat two more times. The dose is easier to determine because it is based on dry plant material. Three grams of Syrian rue per dose of DMT provides the required MAOI. Again, increasing the dosage of Syrian rue beyond 3g does not increase the potency of the DMT significantly more than 3g.

Important note: I have always seen references to staying away from aluminum for all sorts of chemical extractions and procedures. I believe that this is because aluminum bonds with a lot of contaminants that can then find their way into the brew (just think about having to clean calcium deposits off of your aluminum coffee maker with vinegar). Always use nice glass (pyrex is much less likely to break) or stainless steel.

The liquid form can serve as an oral dose, or it can be evaporated GENTLY AND SLOWLY to a goo. This goo can then be smoked for a very intense dose of DMT. Or the goo can be saved for oral doses. I recommend refrigeration. I have no information as to how to best store phalaris products to prevent spoilage and loss of potency.

There are a variety of chemical extraction techniques floating around on the net. I have little ability in evaluating the accuracy and safety of these techniques. I prefer to speak on subjects in which I have some faith in my knowledge. In any case, it does not seem likely that for small time experimenters, chemical reductions to pure alkaloids will be necessary. The above methods should work."




Anyway, I did the dry plant material extract, only without the syrian rue, and replacing the DRY foliage with FRESH foliage. Do you think this is a safe extract for me to smoke the goo thats left? Will it work?



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forgetfulpenguin

Active Member
Get it back into an acidic solution and do a liquid liquid extraction with a non-polar solvent and discard the organic phase. That should help pull some of the crap that's been left over. You might want to go ahead and just do the rest of a proper acid base extraction. (Basify the aqueous phase from earlier and again do a a liquid liquid extraction this time discarding the aqueous phase. From there it's just a matter of evaporating and recrystallizing.)

This is a great overview of A/B extraction relative to DMT and youtube has a ton of videos on liquid liquid extractions (sometimes the videos just call it extraction which should tell you how common it is in ochem) put up by universities.
http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/DMT_Extraction_Overview

[video=youtube;CyIA8NhMUl4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyIA8NhMUl4[/video]
[video=youtube;_3G3MMcBYmY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3G3MMcBYmY[/video]
 

MrEDuck

Well-Known Member
I would never smoke an extracted goo.
Perform an extraction on the goo. I would suggest starting by putting it in an acidic solution and washing with your NP solvent (discard the NP layer, it's all waste in there). Then basify the aqueous layer, extract, and crystallized.
Also that tek is bad. Never use lemon juice to perform an extraction. Way too much extra crap in there, and it costs more than a clean acid.
 

WaxxyNuggets

Active Member
Sorry but I'm not sure what you mean by STB?

Is this the extraction method where there's no defatting process?

I'm personally looking for a high yielding tech that can pull out ALL the goodies and later refine it.

DCM for an np sounds promising but idk...

AB is not needed for MHRB, STB will give bigger yields.
 

ANC

Well-Known Member
Straight to base, no defatting stage needed.

For full extraction you need to go the fumerate route, use google.
 

MrEDuck

Well-Known Member
What would you be changing by dissolving it and evaping the solvent? Redisolve and precipitate would work.
 

ANC

Well-Known Member
It helps if you understand why we do the freezeing thing.
At high temperature the naphta can disolve a larger quantity of the DMT than at lower temperatures.
When we then freeze the mixture the naphta can hold much less DMT (I reccomend 20C or lower), at which point the pure crytals will fall out ready for collection and evaoprating the last naphta off.

If you just evaporate you also leave all non voletile and evaporating oils from the extraction in the crystals.
 

MrEDuck

Well-Known Member
DCM for an np sounds promising but idk...
Don't use DCM dude. It's nasty shit. If you do use it and you don't have a real fume hood you need a respirator with filter cartridges for halogenated organics. You NEED to wear a bare minimum of an 8mil nitrile glove, 16mil nitrile gauntlets are preferred. The last three labs I've worked in all had an unspoken policy of avoiding halogenated solvents unless there was no other way. The last time I used a dihalomethane was DBM and that was as a reagent.
 
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