Date Stamp Seed Packs ...(Y) or (N)

The Situation:
Some breeders/seedbanks price their seeds too high, thats cuts demand, so they sit on the shelf gathering dust, by the time they are sold, the seeds are 'dated' and this ends in bad results for the growers, which is then reported to us in the forums, which compounds the cycle and results in further slowing the movement of the older seeds.

The Deal:
If the breeders/seedbanks would drop their prices, and indicate the 'date of harvest' their overall sales would increase, creating a faster turnover of stock, creating fresher seeds on the shelves, giving us fresher, newer seeds with a higher viability ratio, and less fucked up germinations.

Breeders/seedbanks could then have an annual sale of dated stock ..seeds over 9 months old (a range of 9-24 months) for example, currently many breeders only crop a selection of seeds every 4-5 years, even tho breeders and seedbanks keep the seeds well cared for in a fridge or freezer, the viability rate for each seed falls dramatically each month or year, hence the freebies given by the banks.

Its war out their swapping seeds for dollars, but as more and more shady fucks get involved, is less and less for the bad and good breeders, and more and more failed germinations for us.

I would love to see seedbanks date stamp packs, that's an awesome idea.

http://data.kew.org/sid/viability/

It would be super nice if they would do the math for us too

i have been saying it for yrs so i totally agree charge $200 for a pack seeds they should be viable. had it happen with sensi shiva skunk and not 1 germinated. the store covered it which was very nice of them crosstown traffic

I think that time stamping every pack of seeds should be the standard in medical states. I think they should also do them for the ones shipped but a lot of the times the seeds aren't in original packing and I don't trust anyone to transfer data correctly.

There are, of course, breeders whose beans are bought up almost as soon as they're dropped, so 'old' is never a concern.

There are some who do date stamp their packs and I always appreciated it. Truth is though as long as they are kept cool, dry, and out of direct light seeds can last a long time without much loss in germ rates.

Damn straight they should I ordered a pack of Purps from Attitude not 1 popped but all the AK-47 and all the freebies did same time germinating same order. I also want to buy 3 packs of DJ Short Blueberry but it's expenses and I've seen so many reports of bad germination also Soma so many bad germination reports and neither breeder will respond to you BCBD said they would replace my purps but then never responded back so I stick with direct from the breeder or popular not to overpriced I have been watching Seedboutique for fresh Blueberry but they've been out for at least a year and I don't trust Attitude god knows how old they are I heard DJ does a seed run every 3 years and that's when to buy as they are fresh but it's some bullshit pay $10+ per seed and half or all don't pop and the breeder won't show you any respect for buying their product shit you can tell Shanti you had poor germination or you got a couple hermies he gives you more even though he knows you stressed the plants I never had a problem with either I did stress 1 too hermie but a bunch had no issues with the stress in the same run. Greenhouse don't care I really don't like most breeders oh bad germination fuck you buy more you got a fuck you you can't grow instead of telling you were you went wrong but most growers are such douche bags they won't admit fault but half your pack on a well known strain hermies you may want to look within.

While I agree, it seems that you are ignoring a key fact. Shops stock based on perceived sales. If they are buying seeds, and see one that they know will have to retail at a far higher price than most other seeds, they will not be inclined to buy 1000 of them for the very reason that higher priced items sell less than lower priced items, especially given that most growers who might be willing to buy a £100 seed are aware that they can get similar quality for a 10th of the price.

The logic that they stock up on stuff that goes fast so nothing goes bad is false. If you look the attitude stocks beans from almost 100 seed companies and if you think that people are buying all these seeds then you've drank the koolaid. Shit sits and sits and sits until its bought and then when you get shitty germ rates they tell you it is your fault. I am sorry but time stamps are the best thing that could happen. They have it on almost every product that is for legal sale in the US so why not cannabis seeds.

The only seed companies I've ever seen date stamp their beans was Ace and Cannabiogen. It's a good resource for breeders too. If more than one customs has a bad experience you may be able to trace it back to a particular batch of seeds, not the whole line.

Thecouchlock said:

The logic that they stock up on stuff that goes fast so nothing goes bad is false. If you look the attitude stocks beans from almost 100 seed companies and if you think that people are buying all these seeds then you've drank the koolaid. Shit sits and sits and sits until its bought and then when you get shitty germ rates they tell you it is your fault. I am sorry but time stamps are the best thing that could happen. They have it on almost every product that is for legal sale in the US so why not cannabis seeds.

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I'm not saying whether it works for them or not, but to assume that they do not use a stock management system is absurd. As i said, i agree with the idea of dates on packs, but it's silly to assume that it all sits and goes bad because it's high priced. As was mentioned, there are breeders with high priced seeds who sell out the moment it hits the market.

Also remember that while youa re saying they need to be dropping prices, they would then have to raise the prices to account for the cost involved with the dating. Or would it be a case of you buying a $200 pack of seeds with your fingers crossed that it is of a certain date? Or do the seedbanks put resources into making sure that the buyer knows exactly what date the seeds they are buying will have. Or maybe the seedbank having to bin perfectly good stock because buyers wanted something with a better date instead.

So how would you implement a date system that would not effect pricing yet create customer confidence prior to purchase or create loss of good stock because customers wanted the BEST (ever worked in a supermarket? Those people who buy the milk with 10 days left on it, instead of 7 days, well that milk with 7 days that was perfectly good, often then ends up in the bin, ultimately raising prices due to increased waste costs)

not a bad idea on the face of it; almost every vegetable/flower seed co dates their packs....

...funky thing about cannabis seed backs is their "no guarantee" clause for germination....
basically, even if they did date the packs, what difference would it make in so far as liability goes? ...might change your expectation but germ or not, we've lost our money (since growing weed is illegal in 30 states)

Props Vostok , I'm surprised that it isn't done already flippin great idea !!

Seems like a lot of the Spanish breeders date stamp. Usually written in spanish though, haha. Sweet Seeds used to and I believe Kannabia and Delicious Seeds were dated. Possibly World of Seeds and I think a pack of autos I bought a few years ago from Joint Doctor were dated.

ok, so they date stamp the back, now what?
you buy a pack of beans that have an older date, this means dog shit as to whether or not that they'll germ or not.. sometimes, ime, the hardest beans to germ, are the ones that are super fresh, not the ones that are a bit older..
also, what happens when you get a pack and you don't like the date on them? do you really think that a seeed bank is going to say, oh yeah, sure, you don't like the date? just send them back to us, yeah, ok, no problem at all with that..

i just don't see any benefit from date stamps is all..

It would at least give you a way to test out the theory yourself. If you were to get a bunch that were timestamped 5 years ago and all of them popped well you know that it isn't the length of time they are sitting it might be HOW they sit. We go to the store and everything is timestamped I don't think it is that hard to do nor do I think it adds that much cost to a product. If you produce 1,000 packs of seeds and timestamp them all it would probably be around 10 cents a pack to do that. If even that you could just get a rubber stamp and stamp them all for 10 bucks.

Also another plus to time stamping would be batching. If you got a bad batch from february 2014 you would be able to at least ask for a different batch if your going to order that strain again. There has been bad batches out there and how are you to differentiate between a good batch and bad batch when they all look the same?

You could also be like oh shit you still got that pre14' bubba kush! I will take 3 of those. There is a point to doing it maybe its not the most important but it gives you an ability to track a problem better.

Thecouchlock said:

It would at least give you a way to test out the theory yourself. If you were to get a bunch that were timestamped 5 years ago and all of them popped well you know that it isn't the length of time they are sitting it might be HOW they sit. We go to the store and everything is timestamped I don't think it is that hard to do nor do I think it adds that much cost to a product. If you produce 1,000 packs of seeds and timestamp them all it would probably be around 10 cents a pack to do that. If even that you could just get a rubber stamp and stamp them all for 10 bucks.

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so what happens when you get a pack with an old date on them, just gonna chuck them in the shitter? no seeed bank is going to take a pack of beans back because, oh, i didn't like the date on the pack, that's retarded..

If 10 people journal a grow from the same drop and they all have failures it would show a bad batch, I don't see how that is retarded. I actually see that as another step in the quality process because it gives us the ability to prove that we all have the same seeds from the same batch. If they are shitty at least we would know they are shitty if they are bomb then we could all jump on it before the next drop. I don't think it is such a big deal that people should be against it. I don't grab a gallon of milk and go oh shit this expires next week maybe I shouldn't get it. Nah I still grab that shit and drink it up but I like knowing when something was produced.

coolkid.02 said:

The only seed companies I've ever seen date stamp their beans was Ace and Cannabiogen. It's a good resource for breeders too. If more than one customs has a bad experience you may be able to trace it back to a particular batch of seeds, not the whole line.

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That is my whole point, every product sold from a reputable company will have a time stamp and a batch number so that if there are any problems they can be taken care of. If cannabis is going to be legalized in the United States the we should at least show them that we can live up to the actual expectation of consumers.