Crinkly leaves after sordid childhood, nutes or no nutes?

mordero

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Strain - Nirvana Seeds - Blue mystic (predominately Indica)

# of Plants - 2

Grow Type - Soil

Grow Stage - Vegetative

Bucket Size - currently in middle size of half a 2-liter pop bottle. moving up to a 3 gallon smart pot.. maybe.

Lights - 24/0- 3x 26w 6500k CFL, 2x 26w 2700k CFL / 300x 5050 SMD leds at 0.24w per diode. (~70w?) = ~200w



Nutrients - only a small epsom salt supplement with the most recent 200mL watering
diluted at a rate of 1Tbsp/Gal Fox Farms Big Bloom and Grow Big in one day maybe?

Medium - 60% FFOF/40% generic organic potting mix from joblot, to avoid "too hot" ffof

PPM - I opted to not go with PPM measurements this time around.

pH - ~6.5 I'd say slightly higher, maybe a 6.7.. using liquid indicator.

RH - 45-55

Room Temperature -74 to 84

Solution Temperature - n/a?

Room Square Footage - .67 sq ft. :thumb:

Pests - saw a single bug the other day, pretty sure he got sucked in through an intake. have been monitoring closely, with no other incidents.


:Namaste:
I'm mord, long-time reader, first-time poster; hope it's worthy.
This is my first time trying to grow cannabis apart from tossing seeds in my yard when I was younger.

Due to living arrangements, the plants are growing inside a 5 gallon bucket, modified in a stacking design to allow additional height as it/they grow(s) (#spacebuckets). One of the plants will be moved outside to a guerilla location, allowing the space inside for the other.

My goals for this aren't really for a high yield, though I'd like to fully utilize the space in the bucket. I'm looking more to develop a relationship with the plant, as I enjoy plant medicine studies and ethnobotany, and would like to add this to my list of plant teachers. We're going for potency guys, so here's my lighting..

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I'm not sure whether they're growing at a healthy rate or whether they're stunted, I germinated them in plastic dinner cups with some stones at the bottom to assist drainage, but I think I fudged the practice there, stones were too big and the roots were stunted halfway down the cup. They were moved to the bottles 1 week after germination. This is them after the transplant.

4/25-Germination

5/2- transplanted by filling the bottles to within the height of the dinner cups from the rim
I then loosened the sides of the dirt mass in the cup and flipped it gently upside down to slide it out, placing it in to the bottle, and gently adding soil around the edges to fill it in. i added straight tap water.. :(

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I feel that the soil was too damp, with no real wet/dry cycle, and they didn't have an opportunity (or need) to stretch their roots, the overwatering continued until after the second set came in, with some purple tints on new growth, at that time it was a toss-up between pH problems, the overwatering, genetics, or a legitimate magnesium deficiency, so I waited until 5/4 for my pH kit to arrive, tested soil samples from both, found A to be 7.0 and B to be 6.5ish, and found my tap water to be 8.0!!!! I took a gamble and pH corrected a gallon of water to 6.5, added 1 tbsp of epsom salts, shook well to aerate, let it sit for a couple hours, shook again gently, checked ph, still more or less 6.5, and I flushed them, intent on now giving them a solid wet/dry cycle, and measuring water from here on out.

5/6- Soil as dry in both as I was comfortable with, bone-dry to my second knuckle, gave both 200mL of the epsom salt water at ~6.7 pH.

5/7- Today, my day off, so I'm making this post and taking all the pictures. Soil is still moist in places, so i'm holding off another day to check moisture and potentially give them another 200mL, also, FF Big Bloom and Grow Big will arrive tomorrow, I'm not sure if they need them though. What do you think?

Here is Lady A-
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The droopage is real! Hoping the firm wet/dry cycle helps!

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Are these roots on plant A a result of the break in watering after the "flush"? It was the first dry spell they had experienced and I feel like this is a good sign, though I am now worried about them becoming root bound.

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Hooray! maybe!

Here's Lady B, significantly less droopy, but her yellow coloration makes me think she was affected by the over watering practices as well.. or ph problems prior to being tested.. or transplant shock.. or everything.. :(
I'm hoping new watering practices and a some FF BB and GB will perk her up and bring new growth in at a great color.

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P_20160507_092326.jpg


P_20160507_092316.jpg


The other ill news aside, I think the lighting is spot on, the node structure seems TIGHT! I intend to top and main-line the one that remains in the bucket, though which one that will be is undecided.


So what do you guys think, do they need to start nutes like I think?
Should I wait longer and see if the watering practices alone will fix it?
Am I just being impatient?
Does growth look good for day 13?
Does the third set of true leaves coming in mean this is Day 1 of Veg?

I want to thank everybody in advance, I've already learned a great amount from reading these forums (and others), and am excited for some personalized advice to help me fine-tune my own technique
 
Strain - Nirvana Seeds - Blue mystic (predominately Indica)

# of Plants - 2

Grow Type - Soil

Grow Stage - Vegetative

Bucket Size - currently in middle size of half a 2-liter pop bottle. moving up to a 3 gallon smart pot.. maybe.

Lights - 24/0- 3x 26w 6500k CFL, 2x 26w 2700k CFL / 300x 5050 SMD leds at 0.24w per diode. (~70w?) = ~200w



Nutrients - only a small epsom salt supplement with the most recent 200mL watering
diluted at a rate of 1Tbsp/Gal Fox Farms Big Bloom and Grow Big in one day maybe?

Medium - 60% FFOF/40% generic organic potting mix from joblot, to avoid "too hot" ffof

PPM - I opted to not go with PPM measurements this time around.

pH - ~6.5 I'd say slightly higher, maybe a 6.7.. using liquid indicator.

RH - 45-55

Room Temperature -74 to 84

Solution Temperature - n/a?

Room Square Footage - .67 sq ft. :thumb:

Pests - saw a single bug the other day, pretty sure he got sucked in through an intake. have been monitoring closely, with no other incidents.


:Namaste:
I'm mord, long-time reader, first-time poster; hope it's worthy.
This is my first time trying to grow cannabis apart from tossing seeds in my yard when I was younger.

Due to living arrangements, the plants are growing inside a 5 gallon bucket, modified in a stacking design to allow additional height as it/they grow(s) (#spacebuckets). One of the plants will be moved outside to a guerilla location, allowing the space inside for the other.

My goals for this aren't really for a high yield, though I'd like to fully utilize the space in the bucket. I'm looking more to develop a relationship with the plant, as I enjoy plant medicine studies and ethnobotany, and would like to add this to my list of plant teachers. We're going for potency guys, so here's my lighting..

P_20160507_084700.jpg


P_20160507_084707.jpg


I'm not sure whether they're growing at a healthy rate or whether they're stunted, I germinated them in plastic dinner cups with some stones at the bottom to assist drainage, but I think I fudged the practice there, stones were too big and the roots were stunted halfway down the cup. They were moved to the bottles 1 week after germination. This is them after the transplant.

4/25-Germination

5/2- transplanted by filling the bottles to within the height of the dinner cups from the rim
I then loosened the sides of the dirt mass in the cup and flipped it gently upside down to slide it out, placing it in to the bottle, and gently adding soil around the edges to fill it in. i added straight tap water.. :(

P_20160502_084702.jpg


I feel that the soil was too damp, with no real wet/dry cycle, and they didn't have an opportunity (or need) to stretch their roots, the overwatering continued until after the second set came in, with some purple tints on new growth, at that time it was a toss-up between pH problems, the overwatering, genetics, or a legitimate magnesium deficiency, so I waited until 5/4 for my pH kit to arrive, tested soil samples from both, found A to be 7.0 and B to be 6.5ish, and found my tap water to be 8.0!!!! I took a gamble and pH corrected a gallon of water to 6.5, added 1 tbsp of epsom salts, shook well to aerate, let it sit for a couple hours, shook again gently, checked ph, still more or less 6.5, and I flushed them, intent on now giving them a solid wet/dry cycle, and measuring water from here on out.

5/6- Soil as dry in both as I was comfortable with, bone-dry to my second knuckle, gave both 200mL of the epsom salt water at ~6.7 pH.

5/7- Today, my day off, so I'm making this post and taking all the pictures. Soil is still moist in places, so i'm holding off another day to check moisture and potentially give them another 200mL, also, FF Big Bloom and Grow Big will arrive tomorrow, I'm not sure if they need them though. What do you think?

Here is Lady A-
P_20160507_092352.jpg


The droopage is real! Hoping the firm wet/dry cycle helps!

P_20160507_092344.jpg


P_20160507_092335.jpg


Are these roots on plant A a result of the break in watering after the "flush"? It was the first dry spell they had experienced and I feel like this is a good sign, though I am now worried about them becoming root bound.

P_20160507_092525.jpg


P_20160507_092516.jpg


P_20160507_092503.jpg



Hooray! maybe!

Here's Lady B, significantly less droopy, but her yellow coloration makes me think she was affected by the over watering practices as well.. or ph problems prior to being tested.. or transplant shock.. or everything.. :(
I'm hoping new watering practices and a some FF BB and GB will perk her up and bring new growth in at a great color.

P_20160507_092408.jpg


P_20160507_092326.jpg


P_20160507_092316.jpg


The other ill news aside, I think the lighting is spot on, the node structure seems TIGHT! I intend to top and main-line the one that remains in the bucket, though which one that will be is undecided.


So what do you guys think, do they need to start nutes like I think?
Should I wait longer and see if the watering practices alone will fix it?
Am I just being impatient?
Does growth look good for day 13?
Does the third set of true leaves coming in mean this is Day 1 of Veg?

I want to thank everybody in advance, I've already learned a great amount from reading these forums (and others), and am excited for some personalized advice to help me fine-tune my own technique
Plants haven't even recovered fully yet I would wait a week and a half from when they recovered before topping or fimming to much stress will cause hermies
 
As far as topping goes, I would have to agree with the above post. A true wet/dry cycle is, from my knowledge, good for root growth as the roots will look for water. IMO FFOF has plenty of nutes already in it for your plants for at least another week plus. Based on the pictures, and listed medium combination, it seems to be holding a lot of water. I am a first time grower, but letting my soil dry out has been the best advice I have received for the overall health of my plants, imo. Best of luck!
 
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