Create seed stock from purchased seed

Hello everyone, like the title says I want to create some seed stock from seed I purchased. I have read about many ways to achieve this goal and I am simply looking for a true representation of the parents.

I am starting with TGA Jilly Bean (UKN Orange Skunk X Romulan X Cindy99)

In the most simplistic view I know I would take the best boy and pollinate the best girl. The desirable pheno in this strain is the " orange pheno ". So is it as simple as finding an orange pheno and fertilizing with the best male?

Another option floating in my head is to let the best female go 2 weeks extended flowering to trigger survival mode in the formation of a few late stage bananas and use that pollen to create some FEM seeds for the next grow. Would this method produce a more stable representation of the pheno I desire to keep?

I have a small grow and it is time/resource intensive to grow from seed and locate the phenos I desire. Of course I will clone the desired mum and grow from that, but so many strains so little time Once I find my gem how do I preserve it in seed form?

My goal is to preserve the desired pheno via seed for future grows. Am I just wishing?

Did anyone else start reading this and get distracted by his/her awsome avatar?

kingi95012 said:

Did anyone else start reading this and get distracted by his/her awsome avatar?

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Yeah, Id rather breed with her

Finding a good mother is important in a breeding program but the male is the one to really look for. Judging by your words it seems your looking for resesive traits as is any real breeder. To breed a Truely amazing plant and to add stability to the line your trying to perpetuate you will need to have a lot of plants. A ten pack is not a good enough amount to make a real scientific cross with the goal of furthering or advancing a genetic line. Not to discourage you at all because breeding plants is very fun. Just gotta understand what your doing abit. As for forcing plants to hermie imo its not the best way to make things better as you may pass this hermie gene to your new seeds. I might suggest digging thru the forums or buying a few books on breeding. This is just advise though in the end you should do what you want to do but if your really trying to make better plants and seeds a little hard work and studying can help advance your outcome. Best of luck with your breeding program

You could grow out the ten pack. Veg them for at least two months. Flower them, get rid of all but the two best males. Let one male mate with two or three fems. Let other male mate with other fems.

Now you will have a ton of beans to start looking for what you want.

I'd suggest taking clones , reversing ones sex chemically with CS or STS so both parents are from the Orange pheno an cubing it tell you stabilize them.

Check out the Breeding compiled info sticky thread for details on back crossing...

if you turn a gal hermie, you're only going to increase the chance of getting hermies down the road. that's why everyone says not to use fems for breeding. many people also suggest buying 5 or 10 packs of a strain to look for the best mothers, but if you just pick the best female in a pack of beans and test your males, i'd expect you'd get something pretty decent at the very worst from TGA.

besides, when you inbreed a strain, that's when you REALLY get pheno variation and can select for NEW traits that you like even better than the originals.

if you're REALLY serious about it, you're supposed to create two separate lines selecting for the same traits and after another generation or two, then re-cross the 2 lines.

me? i'll just screw around seeing what happens with whatever i'm growing for fun and to see if anything fun pops up and maybe start trying to improve a strain down the road. i just like the idea of letting the gals get knocked up. they produce all that resin looking to get laid... why not let them? it's just natural and i think it makes 'em happier. i bet it makes anyone you toss a bud happier when they can grow their own for free.

i really liked the breeding chapter in cervantes' indoor marijuana horticulture, at least the summarized reader's digest version i paraphrased, it gets deeper than that with some college level genetics though, but not as deep as marijuana botany.

here's to hoping we see some reporting on your own homespun gear down the road.

Looks like step one is a lot of seed to choose from. More seed, more parents to choose from sounds very logical to me I will breed out this 10 pack and make a ton of seed and go from there. I will start reading Scarhole, your idea is very intriguing indeed. The journey begins.

Thanks guys.

SCARHOLE said:

I'd suggest taking clones , reversing ones sex chemically with CS or STS so both parents are from the Orange pheno an cubing it tell you stabilize them.

Check out the Breeding compiled info sticky thread for details on back crossing...

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lots of good reading there, thanks. Have you used the Silver Thiosulfate Solution method before? From reading it is suppresses ethylene which is needed for the plant to be " female" This suppression naturally causes the formation of male flowers as the whole plant goes through a sex change, not really becoming a hermaphrodite.

So is the resulting seed all female as I am reading.. sounds like it would be. How would I do the cubing with all fem seeds? induce the sex change with each generation for the male pollen, or collect enough from the first and use it exclusively?

I have the answer you might be looking for.

as far as male + female breeding forget it with a 10pack if you want good results as you need a wide gene pool to look at/play with (1000's is suggested)

However if you find that special orange pheno you're looking for what you can do to get feminized seeds is this:

make colloidal silver (dont buy it in the store as its not strong enough...make ur own there are threads here explaining how).

make clones of all your plants in veg...send the plants (you took clones from) into flower. keep clones in veg and label each one to match the plant it came from. find the orange pheno if its present in the 10 pack.

now...take the clone that belongs to the plant that is the orange pheno. Send it to flower and within the first wk or two of pistils forming spray half/a quarter/part of it with the colloidal silver and let it flower as usual. soon your will see bananas (male pollen sacs) where your sprayed. allow the sacs to open up and knock up the rest of the plant...the seeds you pull from the plant will be S1 seeds which should result in almost if not all of the offspring to have the orange pheno.

this will not cause your offspring (seeds) to be hermie so long as the mother (the orange pheno) isn't hermie prone to begin with.

using colloidal silver is a good idea for feminized beans as you're creating male flowers by using a chemical and not altering the plants genetics. the idea of colloidal silver is great because it allows you to breed stable female plants.

hope this helps and that i made sense all the way through.

the more moms & pops you test, the better your results will be.

when you back cross a strain that isn't stabilized, you'll get a much broader range of phenos to pick & chose from than what you started out with.

generally, a minimum of 100 mothers is what people select from, but you never know when you'll find that super rare gal that has some special trait like the cinnamon girl pheno of jack herer or the blackberry pheno of AK47.

hazey grapes said:

if you turn a gal hermie, you're only going to increase the chance of getting hermies down the road. that's why everyone says not to use fems for breeding. many people also suggest buying 5 or 10 packs of a strain to look for the best mothers, but if you just pick the best female in a pack of beans and test your males, i'd expect you'd get something pretty decent at the very worst from TGA.

besides, when you inbreed a strain, that's when you REALLY get pheno variation and can select for NEW traits that you like even better than the originals.

if you're REALLY serious about it, you're supposed to create two separate lines selecting for the same traits and after another generation or two, then re-cross the 2 lines.

me? i'll just screw around seeing what happens with whatever i'm growing for fun and to see if anything fun pops up and maybe start trying to improve a strain down the road. i just like the idea of letting the gals get knocked up. they produce all that resin looking to get laid... why not let them? it's just natural and i think it makes 'em happier. i bet it makes anyone you toss a bud happier when they can grow their own for free.

i really liked the breeding chapter in cervantes' indoor marijuana horticulture, at least the summarized reader's digest version i paraphrased, it gets deeper than that with some college level genetics though, but not as deep as marijuana botany.

here's to hoping we see some reporting on your own homespun gear down the road.

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would you just stop spamming the forums with your nonsense? you have one fucking grow and know dickall about growing, you just read shit and and write your own version in small novel of a post trying to get people to think you have a clue.

I to want to start creating seed stocks of the seeds I buy and the best way to do it if your seeds that you buy of 1 strain is regular take the best male and best female and cross now if you really want to get deep into cloning pick your self up a Aero Cloner or make your self one. This will help speed up cloning this letting you be able to get a few breeds in a single year and making it easier to stabilize it faster.