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rabbit229 · Dec 18, 2009

i would like to start a thread on clones
i for 1 struggled with the clones and many ppl do
if i do 10 cutting only 5 will root i use a 10 plant cloner spraying the clone 15 min then off for 15 mins
i keep the dome on only for the first 3 days then take it off for the rest of the time
400 watt mhl hung 2 meters away from the cuttings with a small fan blowing them
1 would love 100% root rate so post your tips here
much appreciated

phreakygoat · Dec 18, 2009

scrap the metal halide, use cfls. scrap the humidity dome if they're in a cloner. just my advice, take it with a grain of salt. i have 100 percent strike rate tho.

rabbit229 · Dec 18, 2009

phreakygoat said:
scrap the metal halide, use cfls. scrap the humidity dome if they're in a cloner. just my advice, take it with a grain of salt. i have 100 percent strike rate tho.

any help will do dude, do you spray your cuttings. i think i will scrap the halide and use cfls

phreakygoat · Dec 18, 2009

nice, cfls are cheaper, cooler, and easier in every way. i don't spray my cuttings at all, just keep the rapid rooter barely moist. a LOT of people spray their clones, but most don't have the cloner. good luck

hardroc · Dec 18, 2009

phreakygoat said:
nice, cfls are cheaper, cooler, and easier in every way. i don't spray my cuttings at all, just keep the rapid rooter barely moist. a LOT of people spray their clones, but most don't have the cloner. good luck

I also heard it's not good to have wind blowing on them that early cause it dries the leafs up to quick, .......just what I read somewhere

phreakygoat · Dec 18, 2009

i agree with that as well.

vapedg13 · Dec 18, 2009

I took clones the same way for years..... it always took me 2-4 weeks to see roots 95% sucess rate.... A seed germinator with a dome and a 4 ft shop light.... I started the cuttings in pro mix #4....Recently I made some changes

First Rapid Rooters http://www.amazon.com/Rapid-Rooter-Tray-50-plugs/dp/B000I63VSE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1261055399&sr=1-2

Product Description
The breakthrough technology used in RapidRooter results in a unique matrix of composted organic material bound together by plant-derived polymers. RapidRooter is created through a scientifically controlled process which produces large populations of beneficial microbes in the plug media. These naturally occurring beneficial microbes colonize young roots and help young plants to resist disease while maximizing nutrient uptake. The optimal air-to-water ratio within the plug matrix causes explosive early root growth. Use RapidRooter for robust early rooting and explosive plant Growth

I added a heating pad and this germination station http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HHO1RO/ref=ox_ya_oh_product

a temperature controller http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NZZG3S/ref=ox_ya_oh_product ......set it to 85*F

I'm seeing roots in 8 days and not one has died so far.........Rapid Rooters work good for dirt or hydro :peace:

Bob Smith · Dec 18, 2009

rabbit229 said:
i would like to start a thread on clones
i for 1 struggled with the clones and many ppl do
if i do 10 cutting only 5 will root i use a 10 plant cloner spraying the clone 15 min then off for 15 mins
i keep the dome on only for the first 3 days then take it off for the rest of the time
400 watt mhl hung 2 meters away from the cuttings with a small fan blowing them
1 would love 100% root rate so post your tips here
much appreciated

Leaves the sprayers on constantly, bro (assuming it's some sort of EZ-Clone knockoff - the sprayers should always be on).

And I've cloned all types of ways, am actually doing an experiment right now between cloning in E&F and rapid rooters with Roots Excellurator.

My normal method is to use a bubble cloner:

But I'm trying to get bubbles out of my life and go with E&F for everything, so I took these test clones a few days ago (in 3.5" pots):

Also took these concurrently with the E&F clones, as I might do 144 plants my next harvest, and I can't fit that many clones in my top E&F tray:

And there's an interesting thread around here called "Cloning Methods, a Poll" or something like that - good info on there.

rabbit229 · Dec 18, 2009

Bob Smith said:
Leaves the sprayers on constantly, bro (assuming it's some sort of EZ-Clone knockoff - the sprayers should always be on).

And I've cloned all types of ways, am actually doing an experiment right now between cloning in E&F and rapid rooters with Roots Excellurator.

My normal method is to use a bubble cloner:

But I'm trying to get bubbles out of my life and go with E&F for everything, so I took these test clones a few days ago (in 3.5" pots):

View attachment 654710

Also took these concurrently with the E&F clones, as I might do 144 plants my next harvest, and I can't fit that many clones in my top E&F tray:

View attachment 654711

And there's an interesting thread around here called "Cloning Methods, a Poll" or something like that - good info on there.

i have tryed it on constant in the past but the ends turn in to green mush i got a heater in the tank and is set to 78f my cuttings take about 3 weeks to root(way to long) my ph 5.5 5.9 ec 0.4 why so long. i will lose the fan to

rabbit229 · Dec 19, 2009

vapedg13 said:
I took clones the same way for years..... it always took me 2-4 weeks to see roots 95% sucess rate.... A seed germinator with a dome and a 4 ft shop light.... I started the cuttings in pro mix #4....Recently I made some changes

First Rapid Rooters http://www.amazon.com/Rapid-Rooter-Tray-50-plugs/dp/B000I63VSE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1261055399&sr=1-2

I added a heating pad and this germination station http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HHO1RO/ref=ox_ya_oh_product

a temperature controller http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NZZG3S/ref=ox_ya_oh_product ......set it to 85*F

I'm seeing roots in 8 days and not one has died so far.........Rapid Rooters work good for dirt or hydro

i tryed this last year but i found it a pain in the butt having to keep going to the grow shop
i will defo stay with my easy cloner i just need to fine tune it, i want roots in just 1 week and 90% would be fantastic

rabbit229 · Dec 19, 2009

phreakygoat said:
scrap the metal halide, use cfls. scrap the humidity dome if they're in a cloner. just my advice, take it with a grain of salt. i have 100 percent strike rate tho.

100% WOW that good, how long dose it take for your roots to show?
what do you keep your roots moist with just water or do you add any thing with it

rabbit229 · Dec 19, 2009

Bob Smith said:
Leaves the sprayers on constantly, bro (assuming it's some sort of EZ-Clone knockoff - the sprayers should always be on).

And I've cloned all types of ways, am actually doing an experiment right now between cloning in E&F and rapid rooters with Roots Excellurator.

My normal method is to use a bubble cloner:

View attachment 654707 View attachment 654708 View attachment 654709

But I'm trying to get bubbles out of my life and go with E&F for everything, so I took these test clones a few days ago (in 3.5" pots):

View attachment 654710

Also took these concurrently with the E&F clones, as I might do 144 plants my next harvest, and I can't fit that many clones in my top E&F tray:

View attachment 654711

And there's an interesting thread around here called "Cloning Methods, a Poll" or something like that - good info on there.

how long do your roots take to show bob
why do mine turn to mush wen on constant

spl1 · Dec 19, 2009

rabbit229 said:
how long do your roots take to show bob
why do mine turn to mush wen on constant

What type of cloner do you have? Is is a home made one? If so can you get a pic of the tips when spraying?
You may have the tips spraying to to close to the new grow area of the clone, or the tips may be the wrong ones if it is a home made system.

Here is a home made Areo system I made, I have the spray tips 2" bellow the net cups and the mag pump is 500GPH. My root never look like mush and I have 100% clone rate with in 7 days so far, knock on wood.

If you could get some pics uploaded so we can see the system in action maybe we can help you.

Bob Smith · Dec 19, 2009

rabbit229 said:
how long do your roots take to show bob
why do mine turn to mush wen on constant

In my bubble-cloner, 8-11 days, roughly.

In E&F, 10-13 days, roughly.

In Rapid Rooters, bout two weeks.

rabbit229 · Dec 21, 2009

spl1 said:
What type of cloner do you have? Is is a home made one? If so can you get a pic of the tips when spraying?
You may have the tips spraying to to close to the new grow area of the clone, or the tips may be the wrong ones if it is a home made system.

Here is a home made Areo system I made, I have the spray tips 2" bellow the net cups and the mag pump is 500GPH. My root never look like mush and I have 100% clone rate with in 7 days so far, knock on wood.

If you could get some pics uploaded so we can see the system in action maybe we can help you.

i wll try get some pics, my system is not home made and the sprayers look like the same in your pic, they dont spray the water up they spray out of the left an right side of them
when i do a cut i will do it at 6inch and i put the end of the cutting hanging 2 inch out of the bottom of net pot, the nets sit about 10mm over the sprayers. if i left the the ends in side the nets i dont think whey would get wet

rabbit229 · Dec 21, 2009

rabbit229 said:
i wll try get some pics, my system is not home made and the sprayers look like the same in your pic, they dont spray the water up they spray out of the left an right side of them
when i do a cut i will do it at 6inch and i put the end of the cutting hanging 2 inch out of the bottom of net pot, the nets sit about 10mm over the sprayers. if i left the the ends in side the nets i dont think whey would get wet

i coped these of the net but sames airo system the sprayer nibs are the same as those but set up little diffant

RickWhite · Dec 21, 2009

I have recently learned (the hard way) that the stem health of the mother is very important for successful cloning. If you have a mother with a K deficiency, or that has suffered from excessive nutrient concentrations your clones will have a much more difficult time.

rabbit229 · Dec 21, 2009

RickWhite said:
I have recently learned (the hard way) that the stem health of the mother is very important for successful cloning. If you have a mother with a K deficiency, or that has suffered from excessive nutrient concentrations your clones will have a much more difficult time.

i think it its the mother she not looking very good very light in colour almost a yellow ish, i need to get a bit of green in her she only 4 month old may be she not getting much nuts to her

spl1 · Dec 22, 2009

I agree with Rick if the mother is a little off it makes it just that much harder for the clones to get going.

My spray tip do fan out to the sides but they also spray in an upward direction as well. Also when I take my clipping I do it with at least 3 nodes and I cut the lower leafs on the bottom nodes of with a clean razor and I also scrap about an 1/2" off of one side of the lower part of the steam, so ware on this site it talks about scarification this exposes the tissue in the stem to more rooting gel or powder to help it grow roots faster. As you see in my pics I don't put the stem all the way down threw the bottom of the net, when the roots hit the bottom of the net cup it is ready for me to transplant it in to what every my customers want it in.

Tomorrow I will ad some pics of clones I just put in dirt for a customer that will be picking them up around noon my time, some of this clones are 7 to 14 days old.

rabbit229 · Dec 22, 2009

spl1 said:
I agree with Rick if the mother is a little off it makes it just that much harder for the clones to get going.

My spray tip do fan out to the sides but they also spray in an upward direction as well. Also when I take my clipping I do it with at least 3 nodes and I cut the lower leafs on the bottom nodes of with a clean razor and I also scrap about an 1/2" off of one side of the lower part of the steam, so ware on this site it talks about scarification this exposes the tissue in the stem to more rooting gel or powder to help it grow roots faster. As you see in my pics I don't put the stem all the way down threw the bottom of the net, when the roots hit the bottom of the net cup it is ready for me to transplant it in to what every my customers want it in.

Tomorrow I will ad some pics of clones I just put in dirt for a customer that will be picking them up around noon my time, some of this clones are 7 to 14 days old.

on my mother the nodes are very close if i take a cut 3 nodes down my cutting would only be about 1 and half inch. so i take it about 9 nodes down and cut of all the bottom just leave the top 3 nodes on
were i do my cut i scratch the end just the same as you do to help her root( i dont do a deep scratch just slightly
i use gell and i leave them in the cloner for half hour befor i spray the gell of, i like to let the clone sit in the gell for a wile

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