Calcium deficiency?

mista sativa · Jan 24, 2018

Can someone help me out? I’ve been reading trying to figure it out, and I think it’s calcium deficiency... or possibly the beginning stages of nitrogen burn. I use happy frog and Roots Organics Soil, mixed with about 25% coco with cork and 10% added perlite. I added a small amount of blood and kelp meal. Half a bag of worm castings. I fed the plant two ACT’s of kelp, fish emulsion, bat guano and blood meal the last two waterings. I feel like it’s cal-mag. LMK what you think. Btw it’s started spotting halfway up the plant. The initial one-pointed leaves are slightly burnedon tips.

aussiegrowing · Jan 24, 2018

Looks like it's overdosed on nutrients. At the size that it is now, it shouldn't really need all that much nutrients. I'm no expert so correct me if I'm wrong. I only really start feeding them when they get a bit bigger. And bat shit is really for when they go into flower?. Non the less it lools like a nice little plant. What is the strain?

mista sativa · Jan 24, 2018

aussiegrowing said:
Looks like it's overdosed on nutrients. At the size that it is now, it shouldn't really need all that much nutrients. I'm no expert so correct me if I'm wrong. I only really start feeding them when they get a bit bigger. And bat shit is really for when they go into flower?. Non the less it lools like a nice little plant. What is the strain?

Ok I’ll just water until it’s a bit bigger. https://www.downtoearthfertilizer.com/products/single-ingredients/bat-guano-9-3-1/
This is the guano I use. Recommended for veg and flower. I only use a small amount... the seeds came from bag seed. I thought from a batch of blue dream, but it looks indica dominant. So, not sure, but it was good smoke though. Not 100% sure on genetics

polishpollack · Jan 24, 2018

pics in white light please.
happy frog and roots have ferts in them already. be careful what you give and how much. read the labels. organic ferts like bone meal require a lot of time to break down.

mista sativa · Jan 24, 2018

polishpollack said:
pics in white light please.
happy frog and roots have ferts in them already. be careful what you give and how much. read the labels. organic ferts like bone meal require a lot of time to break down.

I decided to use the teas and added amendments because the coco I use is completely untreated (at least that’s what I was told) I usually use coco loco. I added maybe a quarter dose of each into soil. I was a little heavy with the ACT last feed. If it’s nutrient burn, I’m sure it’s from the last tea. I’m just trying to make sure that’s the issue before I make my next move. Both soils I used as a base have added lime, but again the coco could have diluted that. I don’t want to add cal mag if it’s nutrient burn, being it contains some nitrogen. I’ll flush tomorrow just in case.
http://mills-nutrients.com/2016/09/14/mills-dna-launch-the-ultimate-coco-mixes/?lang=en

mista sativa · Jan 24, 2018

polishpollack said:
pics in white light please.
happy frog and roots have ferts in them already. be careful what you give and how much. read the labels. organic ferts like bone meal require a lot of time to break down.

I’ll get new pics in the sun tomorrow. It will probably be more noticeable tomorrow too

mista sativa · Jan 25, 2018

In better light

polishpollack · Jan 25, 2018

you write too much, which mean you do too much. you're wanting to do this and do that, but why? How about you just let it grow and see how it goes. Next time just start in Roots until it's about a foot or so tall, then transplant into a large container of happy frog. you do understand that there is fertilizer in those soils, right? you're making the same mistakes a lot of growers make - adding this or that then coming here saying you have a problem. Just because the store will sell those products doesn't mean you should use them. "kelp, fish emulsion, bat guano and blood meal the last two waterings..." Maybe that's your problem. Truth be told, your plant looks okay for now, but it won't next week if you keep adding that stuff. the kelp in particular is strong stuff.

Cold$moke · Jan 25, 2018

^this

mista sativa · Jan 26, 2018

polishpollack said:
you write too much, which mean you do too much. you're wanting to do this and do that, but why? How about you just let it grow and see how it goes. Next time just start in Roots until it's about a foot or so tall, then transplant into a large container of happy frog. you do understand that there is fertilizer in those soils, right? you're making the same mistakes a lot of growers make - adding this or that then coming here saying you have a problem. Just because the store will sell those products doesn't mean you should use them. "kelp, fish emulsion, bat guano and blood meal the last two waterings..." Maybe that's your problem. Truth be told, your plant looks okay for now, but it won't next week if you keep adding that stuff. the kelp in particular is strong stuff.

I write too much? The only reason I’m so descriptive is because I read on here that’s what people prefer so they can identify a problem... you’re talking to me like I have no gardening experience. In my experience that’s not nutrient burn. I have burned plants and they’ve never looked this way... so long story short, I’m basically just asking if this is for sure calcium deficiency.

nmibud · Jan 26, 2018

The answer to proper growing is K.I.S.S, the less you use the easier it is to figure out what is wrong.A well balanced nute with few added extras.Kelp is good,but only every 2 weeks or so.

mista sativa · Jan 26, 2018

nmibud said:
The answer to proper growing is K.I.S.S, the less you use the easier it is to figure out what is wrong.A well balanced nute with few added extras.Kelp is good,but only every 2 weeks or so.

Ok thanks man

Jypsy Dog · Jan 26, 2018

Tap or RO water? No mention on the pH your adjusting it to....
You can feed all the Bat piss and Bird Feet you want, if the pH you mix is wacked it won't do shit.
Don't matter if it's soil or Hydro.

budman111 · Jan 26, 2018

mista sativa said:
added a small amount of blood and kelp meal. Half a bag of worm castings. I fed the plant two ACT’s of kelp, fish emulsion, bat guano and blood meal the last two waterings..

You just answered your own question.

polishpollack · Jan 27, 2018

mista, you mista my point. When I wrote that you write too much, what I followed that with was, you do to much. That's the important part. You're pumping a lot of stuff into your soil mix. If you poison your plants with too much stuff, no one here can help you. That was my point.

MichiganMedGrower · Jan 27, 2018

Mag deficiency beginning. Common in coco. May need cal mag with coco but I tend to agree with the above comments and you added too much stuff.

They need very little at that size.

thenotsoesoteric · Jan 27, 2018

Coco needs supplemental calcium because coco absorbs it out of your fertilizer.

So what I would do is either repot the plant or flush it real well to get rid of all the "help" you tried to give it. I'd suggest repotting it because the flush will cause your plant to stay water logged for a bit which might give you some more issues.

polishpollack · Jan 27, 2018

if those spots are golden yellow, it's mag def. if they are gold, it's calcium. I'd just use potting soil next time.

MichiganMedGrower · Jan 27, 2018

polishpollack said:
if those spots are golden yellow, it's mag def. if they are gold, it's calcium. I'd just use potting soil next time.

Better indicator would be older leaves-magnesium. Newer leaves-calcium. Immobile vs. Mobile elements.

polishpollack · Jan 27, 2018

I wrote gold for calcium def in the upper post but I should have written orange. I think that's a better description. golden yellow for mag def and orange if calcium def.

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