Buddha Sunday School with Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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Alright, yes it's not yet Sunday, but this Buddhist is very busy except on Wednesdays and Thursdays.

Here's what's up.

You get to ask a Buddhist any question you want about this religion. I've seen there are many misconceptions about what is and what's not a "real" Buddhist.

The only rules are:
Respect the Buddha, and celestial Buddhas, even if you don't believe, no need to be rude! (I read a lot of posts here, and lots of you folks are real rude and mean. None of that here. Enlightened talk only.)

No asking why not just be a Christian, or an Atheist, or my way, and here let me convince you. Uh, not to be rude, but no thanks. I am what I am, you're not going to convince me, I'm only here out of my kindness to let those curious about how a Buddhists isn't an atheist and can believe in a "higher power." Ok?

Other than that you can ask any question about Buddhism.

The Buddha is said to have 10,000 different paths depending on a particular person's need.

Here is a pet peeve of mine, "you're a real Buddhist", and yet I've been one for all my life. Even so, some arrogant know it alls will say, "hey, that's not a real Buddhist, here, I'll prove it based on this Wikipedia entry!"

Umm, ok. Good for you. That's one interpretation of Buddhism, and probably what you think of is some western version from a weirdo named Henry Steel Olcott, who really damaged Buddhist culture. Because of him many think Buddhism is just this fancy way of thinking, like no different from a New Age humanist secular liberal who only values critical scientific methods, doesn't believe in God, let alone a higher power.

I've seen it on many posts while researching grow stuff on this site, because I was curious about fellow buddhist here.

Well, lots of what you were told are wrong. Maybe not "wrong" but you were given too broad and stereotypical information. Especially if it was one of those people who think they're an expert because of reading a wikipedia entry.

See, I'm a Pure Land Buddhist, who believes in the higher power of Amitabha Buddha.

What? Higher power you say? But but, Buddha2525, all Buddhists are really atheists!

Wrong!

Most Far East Asian style Buddhists, like myself, not the "original" Theraveda Buddhists (atheistic, new age, and "scientific" ones such as Sam Harris), do believe in a higher power.

They call out, "Namo Amituofo" or in the original Sanskrit, "Om Namo Amitabha Buddhaya," which roughly translates to: "I take refuge in the Amitabha Buddha."

To most Buddhists, who are also Pure Landers, when we talk about the "Buddha" we don't mean Shakyamuni Gautama, the last physical human Buddha, but the "celestial" Buddha from the western Pure Land Sukhavati.

Yes, we also pray too. But not like most Christians, who think God is like Santa Clause, or a Jinn. We think of Buddha as support, hence why we seek refuge. Our actions are ours alone, but we seek to cleanse our past wrong karma, to eventually become either a bodhisattva, or a Buddha. What we pray for is that others can see compassion and lead a proper Buddhist life, such as "Om Mani Padme Hum."

What separates Pure Landers from other sects is we believe that if we live a pure enough life, and have a one pointedness towards becoming a Buddha, but since we live in the Mofa or Mappo age, where Dharma has become "degenerate" or "corrupted" the only way to enlightenment is to have Amitabha teach us the true Dharma in his pure land by saying, "Namo Amituofo" over and over, until we die and are reborn in Sukhavati.

I hope this made sense and wasn't too long, making a good introduction.

As always,

Namo Amituofo!
 

Bugeye

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Is meditation part of your life? I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on how you utilize the practice.
 

Buddha2525

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Is meditation part of your life? I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on how you utilize the practice.
What kind of meditation?

If you mean sitting in full lotus position and doing various mudras, then no. Those are rather silly and useless.

If you mean getting into a state of samadhi, then yes, all the time.

You don't have to sit in a quiet place, closing your eyes, and chanting Om over and over to get into a state of samadhi. If that's the case it's nothing more than doing self hypnosis.

Whenever you get in touch of who you really are, and quiet the mind, that's samadhi. With enough practice, samadhi can be attained in about a second.

Unlike what you think about as "trance meditation," moment to moment samadhi can come back to full alertness anytime.

Besides what you think of, like the picture in my avatar, as "meditation: these are many more:

Tai Chi
Tantra
Dancing
Singing
Writing
Drawing
etc, etc,etc.

Get the point?

Anyway, hope that helped.

Namo Amituofo!
 

Buddha2525

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do Buddhists believe in reincarnation?
Practically any sutra you read, whether Theraveda or Mahayana in origin will talk about some sort of: future birth or past birth.

Whenever you read, "thus I have heard," at the beginning of any sutra, it means this was what the Buddha said, as told by his cousin Ananda who heard it.

When a Buddhist says they don't believe in reincarnation, what they mean is a "soul" which the transmigration of the soul to another body. Buddhists don't believe this.

But, if you're talking about rebirth called punarbhava, then yes, many do believe. In fact that's what most Buddhists believe.

Many hipsters like Sam Harris, or grumpy disgruntled Buddhists like Stephen Batchelor, are in the minority. They try to make excuses like: the Buddha didn't mean a literal other realm, it's a metaphor, or any other absurdness. But when confronted by other experts in Buddhist texts, will then cry out: "Ok, you got me, maybe the Buddha wasn't correct."

Alright, then if that's so, why are you a "Buddhist?" If you don't like what the Buddha said, make up your own garbage.

Unlike many other prophets, the Buddha said you were free to do what you felt like. If you screw up, by not following what the Buddha say, he says, "Don't blame me, told you so."

The whole notion that either the Buddha meant rebirth as changing within your own lifetime, and we are part of a collective life, but you do die, and once dead, poof you're gone, is utter nonsense. Or, the Buddha was some sort of cultural "victim" who didn't know any better.

The Buddha knew very well what annihilation was. During his time there was another group who questioned the validity of the Vedas, called they Charvakas. They believed there's no afterlife, karma, moksha (liberation i.e. Nirvana), nor immortality of the self as a "soul" in any manner whatsoever. He also didn't believe the Veda's were 100% true, but were misrepresented by the Brahmin.

What the Buddha believed is there's "something" that's unlike the Vedic conception of a "soul" or atman, that does survive what we think of as "death." But unlike the Vedas, or what the Charvakas also denied(which the Buddha denies too) something like a soul would not be permanent, and arises and falls, but never goes to extinction. Just like when you don't remember most of your childhood, which psychologists term, childhood amnesia, where at about the age of seven, a child's memories that he could bring up as if happened only yesterday, slowly begin to fade to mere vague recollections. But are you not that same person before seven, yet at the same time different? He therefore suggested that there's a middle ground approach to the whole "rebirth" or "reincarnation."

What was taught by the Brahmin's is you're part of Brahma (God). We are only part of his "mind" as a "thought" and just as thoughts come and go within our own minds, so does that of Brahma. Once you realize this, it expands your mind, and you are free and attain moksha, and become one with Brahma. But this isn't what the Buddha taught. He said Brahma, just like us, although very great, and in some ways greater than the Buddha, isn't greater than the Buddha, who attained paranirvana, which not even Brahma could do, which is attain real freedom, and that of Nirvana and enter a realm of total bliss and complete enlightenment and never have to be reborn in samsara(the trap of continual rebirth).

Take this story in the Kevatta Sutra:
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"So the monk approached the Great Brahma and, on arrival, said, 'Friend, where do these four great elements -- the earth property, the liquid property, the fire property, and the wind property -- cease without remainder?'

"When this was said, the Great Brahma said to the monk, 'I, monk, am Brahma, the Great Brahma, the Conqueror, the Unconquered, the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Sovereign Lord, the Maker, Creator, Chief, Appointer and Ruler, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be.'

"Then the Great Brahma, taking the monk by the arm and leading him off to one side, said to him, 'These gods of the retinue of Brahma believe, "There is nothing that the Great Brahma does not know. There is nothing that the Great Brahma does not see. There is nothing of which the Great Brahma is unaware. There is nothing that the Great Brahma has not realized." That is why I did not say in their presence that I, too, don't know where the four great elements...cease without remainder. So you have acted wrongly, acted incorrectly, in bypassing the Blessed One in search of an answer to this question elsewhere. Go right back to the Blessed One and, on arrival, ask him this question. However he answers it, you should take it to heart.'

The Buddha's reply:

"'Your question should not be phrased in this way: Where do these four great elements -- the earth property, the liquid property, the fire property, and the wind property -- cease without remainder? Instead, it should be phrased like this:

Where do water, earth, fire, and wind
have no footing?
Where are long and short,
coarse and fine,
fair and foul,
name and form
brought to an end?

"'And the answer to that is:

Consciousness without feature,
without end,
luminous all around:
Here water, earth, fire, and wind
have no footing.
Here long and short
coarse and fine
fair and foul
name and form
are all brought to an end.
With the cessation of the activity of consciousness
each is here brought to an end.'"
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I don't like to disparage against so called "fellow" Buddhists, but if anyone isn't the Buddhist, it's them. When other Buddhists are on their path, the Buddha says not to disparage against them. We're all supposed to be on the same path, which is enlightenment.

But because of my vow for loving kindness to all, even confused "fellow" Buddhists, I can only hope that one day, even if they still believe their nonsense, in what I believe, they will come to the conclusion that it's wrong to try and convert people to their form of secular, or scientific Buddhism.

Also what I think is wrong, is they're abusing the Dharma. Even in his day, there were people who would join his cause, only to think they were better than the Buddha. Many even tried to kill the Buddha. They break the very foundation of what the Buddhist taught in the three treasures: Buddha (yellow jewel), Dharma or "laws" (blue jewel), and Sangha or a Buddhist family/community (red jewel).

Like I said in the OP, the Buddha taught something like 10,000 different ways. In his wisdom, he allowed almost anyone to be a Buddhist, even silly atheists. Yet people tell others who are and aren't "real" Buddhists. Silly no?

I hope that wasn't too long.

Anyways,

Namo Amituofo!
 

Bugeye

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What kind of meditation?

If you mean sitting in full lotus position and doing various mudras, then no. Those are rather silly and useless.

If you mean getting into a state of samadhi, then yes, all the time.

You don't have to sit in a quiet place, closing your eyes, and chanting Om over and over to get into a state of samadhi. If that's the case it's nothing more than doing self hypnosis.

Whenever you get in touch of who you really are, and quiet the mind, that's samadhi. With enough practice, samadhi can be attained in about a second.

Unlike what you think about as "trance meditation," moment to moment samadhi can come back to full alertness anytime.

Besides what you think of, like the picture in my avatar, as "meditation: these are many more:

Tai Chi
Tantra
Dancing
Singing
Writing
Drawing
etc, etc,etc.

Get the point?

Anyway, hope that helped.

Namo Amituofo!
Yes, I appreciated your thoughts on the topic as I am doing lots of experimentation with guided meditation after primarily doing quiet meditation. I'm amazed at how great I feel afterward no matter which method I've used so far. I've been able to unblock on many things with meditation so it seems to me a pathway to the subconscious level.

I don't really know a lot about Bhuddism but from what I have gleaned it seems highly compatible with my spiritual leanings. What is the most important book to you for understanding Bhudda?
 

Buddha2525

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Yes, I appreciated your thoughts on the topic as I am doing lots of experimentation with guided meditation after primarily doing quiet meditation. I'm amazed at how great I feel afterward no matter which method I've used so far. I've been able to unblock on many things with meditation so it seems to me a pathway to the subconscious level.

I don't really know a lot about Bhuddism but from what I have gleaned it seems highly compatible with my spiritual leanings. What is the most important book to you for understanding Bhudda?
Start here.

http://shinranworks.com/the-major-expositions/chapter-on-teaching/
 

New Age United

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Do you feel you have attained Enlightenment? Can you please explain what exactly Enlightenment is and how to achieve it?
 

Buddha2525

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Do you feel you have attained Enlightenment? Can you please explain what exactly Enlightenment is and how to achieve it?
The first step is sotapanna where one enters the universal consciousness. It usually comes about from a deep yearning for wanting to know the truth and being driven mad. That I have felt. But if that's a requirement I don't know. It seems easy now and you can feel subtle things which others don't. What I do know is even if I explained how I got there it wouldn't work for you. I already tried with my wife and all she did was give me a funny look.

Enlightenment is like taking shrooms and being forever changed but unless one takes them it's impossible to explain. You feel like a burden has been lifted.
 

New Age United

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When a person has suffered so intensely that it now becomes a matter of survival for their suffering to end, that is what makes Enlightenment so important, relatively speaking of course in reality nothing is important, not Enlightenment nor wisdom nor the survival of humanity. Are you aware of Space? Can you become directly aware of all the empty Space around you? If only for a few seconds.
 

Buddha2525

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When a person has suffered so intensely that it now becomes a matter of survival for their suffering to end, that is what makes Enlightenment so important, relatively speaking of course in reality nothing is important, not Enlightenment nor wisdom nor the survival of humanity. Are you aware of Space? Can you become directly aware of all the empty Space around you? If only for a few seconds.
Space is just a vibration which our senses pick up and our brain interprets what we call mind consciousness. There's no such thing as empty space. To take away also consumes energy and no matter how hard you tried the very small amount of somethingness pushes back harder.

Science tried to make space become absolute zero and instead created a paradox of negative temperature that's locally hotter than what's around it.
 

New Age United

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Space is just a vibration which our senses pick up and our brain interprets what we call mind consciousness. There's no such thing as empty space. To take away also consumes energy and no matter how hard you tried the very small amount of somethingness pushes back harder.

Science tried to make space become absolute zero and instead created a paradox of negative temperature that's locally hotter than what's around it.
Try not to conceptualize it, don't try to think about it, but rather become directly aware of the formlessness without and withìn, the Space that pervades this present moment. Be right here, right now, and just look, don't think just look
 

Buddha2525

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Try not to conceptualize it, don't try to think about it, but rather become directly aware of the formlessness without and withìn, the Space that pervades this present moment. Be right here, right now, and just look, don't think just look
That's more like Tao. I don't believe in it.

The only thing which exists is the one mind, which is not found in the outside world.

"Rather, clues can be found that the Self exists because of intention and free will – the ability to choose our responses rather than merely reacting mindlessly, blaming it on whatever happened before you – like dominoes falling one after the other because dominoes have no free will or intention to do otherwise. As the Atta-kari Sutta says – there is a self that does things."


https://essenceofbuddhism.wordpress.com/2014/02/27/the-one-mind-the-zen-teaching-of-huang-po/
 

New Age United

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The goal in Enlightenment is not to add concepts and beliefs to your mind but rather to become free of mind made suffering, perhaps you have heard the Buddhist expression "the mind is maya" meaning the mind is suffering. Like most people you overvalue the mind, that is bc you believe you are your mind, the core delusion, you mistake the Thinker for yourself, you wholeheartedly believe that you are the one thinking, that you actually have free will. You do not think anymore than you digest your food, digestion happens, thinking happens.

I want you to know Buddha that there is nothing in me that is against you, the ego 8s not present. Believe it or not it is possible to stop thinking all together, and it is very liberating, and that is what I am trying to show you, to bring you into a state of no mind, Zen.
 

Buddha2525

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But that's still "thinking" and another form of maya which you seem to understand. Sure such a state is possible and I can become that, but I realized although it felt good nothing was getting accomplished, something was missing. Like doing drugs without drugs.

Deep down you too realize I'm right and all you're doing is escaping, feeling even more hollow inside. Otherwise you wouldn't feel life is surfering.

The trick is letting go and becoming one with the flow of life. You need to accept things as they are rather than how you wish them. Until you do that you're going down the wrong path.
 

New Age United

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Yes you must surrender, accept things as they are, let go and follow the flow of life, but this is not a decision that can be made in the mind, the nature of the mind is to resist, to try to influence the will of God. All 9f which you speak comes naturally and easily when you live your life in the now, you no longer seek pleasure in the world but simply enjoy Being, just Be, it is not a high it is your natural state, people do drugs and seek pleasure as a substitute for the simple joy of Being, that they can no longer feel bc of the constant noise that the mind is making. When Siddhartha was asked what is Enlightenment he simply replied "the end of suffering", but it is not an illusion or a comforting belief, it is the end of illusion and belief, the time is now for humanity to awaken, it 8s quickly becoming a matter of survival, but I can not force you to awaken, you have to be truly tired of suffering, only suffering will force you to awaken.
 
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