Botanicare PBP Users Tips - Info - Recipes

morrisgreenberg

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i would like to start a thread here for the many people running hydro setups who dont have a clear understanding of why this stuff is good, many people have read to use the stuff from Stink Bud not because they know how good it is, but they see his results and try to copy. cant blame anyone for this stuff is very good, very simple to use. not expensive and unlike AN you dont have to buy 489673 different bottles. so if you use PBP and love your results post up your recipe
 

morrisgreenberg

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i want to add this, i used to go buy nutrients and always read the back of PBP and only see N-P-K-Ca-Mg and thats it! this is what kept me from using this stuff a year earlier, i have been running it for almost 18months now and couldnt be happier. the reason i picked it up was not that i was looking for organics or chems but i read the ingredients, and that put PBP over the top for me. made from Fish meal, Kelp, Seabird guano and some other chems for the added ca-mag, but what makes the stuff stand out is it contains silica, Humic acid, raw cane sugar and citric acid(i have read citric acid makes the sugar work better) that is 3 THREE different bottles you would have to buy if using GH brand or AN in a 1 part nutrients. now if your a sucker for additives like me they have em . depending on if you have soft water(under100ppm) or R/O water your going to want to pick up some Cal-Mag and run atleast 1/2 strength with every rez. PBP BLOOM does not have any silica, cane sugar or citric acid in or atleast it doesnt say so on the back, only Humic, so this is where i add Sweet to the mix during flowering. i prefer to only run Liquid Karma for the first tank full becauses its pricey and never have seen any benefit from using it every tank(plus its too messy). so basically for a good healthy crop all you need is PBP and cal mag. before i forget the cal-mag allows you to be flexible in when you start using bloom nutes, i like to run veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of flower, but if your low on veg you can run bloom nutes and add more cal-mag for the extra nitrogen it has in, this will prevent early yellowing, the type of yellowing you want to see at 6 weeks in instead of 3 weeks. aside from great health i have never burned a plat yet with this stuff. Botanicare is making a big push with HYdroplex, its a 0-10-6 bloom booster, its got all the gaurenteed analysis of micros in it which the PBP line doesnt. i used a sample for one grow and didnt see anything to write home about, and at 70$ a gallon i would rather use my fox farms granular bloom boosters, they make a huge difference
 

morrisgreenberg

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this is my recipe that i had posted on another thread

new rooted clones

10ml/gal PBP grow
5ml/gal Cal-Mag
10ML/gal Liquid Karma
8ML/gal Hygrozyme
First res is 900ppm but 500ppm of this is PBP grow, everything else is soft, LK wont harm your plants and that cal-mag doesnt add much ppm anyways

once growth starts going faster i go by judgment, my plants speak to me so i add only 5ml/gal of PBP grow and if i see a little yellowing depending on plant size i may have to up the cal-mag to 10ML/gal, but after first res i dont use LK

Mid size Veg
these numbers are bare minimums, strain dependant may want more food

15ml/gal PBP grow
5ml cal-mag
5ml sweet
8ml hygrozyme
keep in mind sweet is $70 a gallon plus PBP has raw cane sugar in it, so i dont use much of it yet, i kick it up a notch during larger veg max out at 10ml/gal, and i only use hygrozyme on res changeouts, i dont top of with it or addback, when i need to addback i do so at 25% of my original mix only if ppms go down, if ppms rise i use plain water.
ppm still around 900 but its like 700ppm of PBP the rest is soft stuff

by the time flower starts i would like to be at 1200ppm, i also run PBP grow for the first 2 weeks of bloom, its no biggie you can go with the bloom nutes as the NPK numbers are very similar, at this point its still strain dependant and may need 10ml/gal if they are heavy feeds, this cal-mag will prevent early yellowing

so we are at late veg (i go 4 weeks)

to get our 1200ppm we need

20ml PBP grow
atleast 5ml cal-mag
and 5 sweet

this is all interchangable, during flower you can go 25ml bloom and 10 callmag or 30bloom 5 cal-mag..regardless for the whole bloom cycle i like to run atleast 10ml of sweet, sweet has magnesium in it is will help you lay off the cal-mag if you like, my whole point is you can run your mixes in 5ml increments of each of the 3 different bottles and not harm your plants
****please note : calcium is an immoble element, this means it takes a while for it to travel through the plant, so if you are running R/O water or tap water less than 100ppm add atleast 5ml/gal of cal-mag, its easier to add it than to correct the calcium deficiency you cheap bastard! calcium starts at the edges of the serrated tips of the leaf looking like small rust spots, then works its way between the viens of the leaf towards the center vien, leaves will not recover. from my own exp. i know magnesium is an easier fix and leaves may or may not recover.


i use Beastie Blooms and cha ching starting at 3rd week flower or when i first see bud sites develping faster, i start at 1/4 strength and max out at 1/2...1/2 strength beastie blooms reads about 200ppm and between everything i like to max out at 2000ppm running 30ml./gal of PBP bloom. also when i flush its not really flushing, i run 10ml of sweet and 1/2 cha ching for the last 1-2 weeks before the chop total ppm is about 300-350 so its not bad, but the sweet provides the plant with much needed energy at this stage, while the cha ching really packs on the resin, trust me on this its worth every penny, this is the one stage that you can have final say on how the finished product comes out, aromatic and sticky, smooth and strong or plain water and diminshed flavor? to me PBP in hydro actually makes finished product taste soil grown
 

GringoLoco

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Great info MG!

I too ran PBP lineup for a little over a year with decent results. One thing that I found though was that all of the strains run with this recipe they had a very similar aftertaste and smell. I'd try the same strains grown with diff. nutes and they were tastier and lacked that bland aftertaste.

With these results I decided to search and sample out other bio-active nutrient lineups, finally settling on Cutting Edge Solutions Lineup with the addition of Rooter's Myco for increased root mass and liquid Guano (Budswel) for flavor and weight.

Since switching to this mix not only have I experienced more massive harvests, everyone that partakes of the finished product is compelled to describe the fullness of the scent and flavor of it, not to mention the better stone.
 

morrisgreenberg

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about the flavor, before i started flushing my way, i used to get complaints of a burnt taste, every strain...thats whan i used to run a plain water flush. how did you flush?
 

GringoLoco

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I don't flush, I feed them right up to the very end. After a proper dry and cure, they taste wonderfully and burn clean.

When I ran Botanicare I experimented with flushing at different time frames and still found that similar aftertaste/smell.
 

morrisgreenberg

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i guess everyone has different conditions, i trully believe without additives, eachs strain's distinct aromas were brought out even more than say when i ran GH flora series, i know i started a PBP thread but with the addition of fox farms cha ching at the end really takes it to another level
 

GringoLoco

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Fully agreed - every environment brings it's own variables. I found that guano did the trick for me in as far as brining out the natural aroma and increasing yields. Cheers!
 

SIV3L

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As far as going by ML I don't think of it that way. I uses PBP always and love it. I go 1/2 Tablespoon per/Gal for 1 week after sprouting. Then I bump it up to 1.5 Tbps for the next 2 weeks. Then bumping it up to 2-3 Tbps depending on how the plant is looking and taking on the nutes for the rest of my veg. The plants love it and I use it w/out anything added. Maybe a drop per/Gal of Superthrive or Nitrozime, but that's it. I might look into Liquid Karma as I hear the plants love it, but I found through out growings that Things like Nitrozime, LK, etc... are only beneficial sometimes and not completely necessary. I use Pro Bloom once into flowering I have no complaints. I have the Cal-Mag+ also, but it doesn't hurt to use as well.
 

seanec327

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Im about to start my first 1400w medical grow in the next couple weeks and will be using stinkbuds recipe... Any one have any good advice for me?!?!?!?!, ill be using a 4x4 flood table for flower, and 2 separate 2x3 tables for veg and mothers..using hydroton as medium and a 25 site cloner machine for clones.

[FONT=&quot]Seedlings, Early Sprouts=[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 100 to 250 ppms

Early Vegging = 300 – 400 ppms

Full Vegetation = 450 – 700 ppms

Early Blooming =750 – 950 ppms[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]
Full Mature Blooms=[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1000 – 1600 ppms[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]


Vegetative Poop Soup (From Veg to first sign of flowers)[/FONT]


  • [FONT=&quot]550ml Pure Blend Pro Vegetative Formula [/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]250ml Cal-Mag[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]250ml Liquid Karma[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]150ml Sweet[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Flowering Stage 1 Poop Soup (Roughly: 1st-4th Week of Flowering)[/FONT]

  • [FONT=&quot]550ml Pure Blend Pro Bloom Hydro Formula[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]250ml Cal-Mag[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]125ml Hydroplex[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]300ml Liquid Karma[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]200ml Sweet[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Flowering Stage 2 Poop Soup (Roughly: 5th-7th Week of Flowering)[/FONT]

  • [FONT=&quot]550ml Pure Blend Pro Bloom Soil Formula[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]250ml Cal-Mag[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]250ml Hydroplex[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]350ml Liquid Karma[/FONT]
· [FONT=&quot]250ml Sweet[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]
 

morrisgreenberg

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i dont like his recipe only because i think its too strong, i believe its based on him running 18gallon totes for resivoirs and that comes out to 30ml/gal of bloom. i like the ppm chart you have i would stay closer to that and even up the early veg ppms
 

morrisgreenberg

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i am thinking of making things more complicated and was wondering what anyone would think of if i added Original pure blend on top of my mix. its organic only made of 4 things, kelp guano EW castings and fishmeal, if theres someone out there who uses this stuff in conjunction with PBP please let me know
 

seanec327

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i use it in soil..... Now i want to know what peoples thoughts on CNS17????? I would like to use the grow,bloom and ripe, with hydroplex,and calmag. and thats it.

any1 have experience with CNS17???
 

legallyflying

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Im about to start my first 1400w medical grow in the next couple weeks and will be using stinkbuds recipe... Any one have any good advice for me?!?!?!?!, ill be using a 4x4 flood table for flower, and 2 separate 2x3 tables for veg and mothers..using hydroton as medium and a 25 site cloner machine for clones.

[FONT=&quot]Seedlings, Early Sprouts=[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 100 to 250 ppms

Early Vegging = 300 – 400 ppms

Full Vegetation = 450 – 700 ppms

Early Blooming =750 – 950 ppms[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]
Full Mature Blooms=[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1000 – 1600 ppms[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]


Vegetative Poop Soup (From Veg to first sign of flowers)[/FONT]


  • [FONT=&quot]550ml Pure Blend Pro Vegetative Formula [/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]250ml Cal-Mag[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]250ml Liquid Karma[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]150ml Sweet[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Flowering Stage 1 Poop Soup (Roughly: 1st-4th Week of Flowering)[/FONT]

  • [FONT=&quot]550ml Pure Blend Pro Bloom Hydro Formula[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]250ml Cal-Mag[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]125ml Hydroplex[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]300ml Liquid Karma[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]200ml Sweet[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Flowering Stage 2 Poop Soup (Roughly: 5th-7th Week of Flowering)[/FONT]

  • [FONT=&quot]550ml Pure Blend Pro Bloom Soil Formula[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]250ml Cal-Mag[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]250ml Hydroplex[/FONT]
  • [FONT=&quot]350ml Liquid Karma[/FONT]
· [FONT=&quot]250ml Sweet[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]

Ummm those numbers are worthless without knowing how big your rez is.
 

legallyflying

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i am thinking of making things more complicated and was wondering what anyone would think of if i added Original pure blend on top of my mix. its organic only made of 4 things, kelp guano EW castings and fishmeal, if theres someone out there who uses this stuff in conjunction with PBP please let me know
This is what i was going yo suggest you to do. I was looking for something to add a little mroe taste and smell. The (very knowedgable) guy at the hydro store didn't just point me towards sugar shit becuase like myself, he knew that plants can't uptake a whole lot of sugar. He steered ore toward the oridinal organic PB. Its almost impossible to brun your pants with it but in hydro, DWC especially, you ahve to be dumping beneficials in alll the time to be able to really take advantage of it, otherwise uptake will be low as it needs to be processd by microbes to be converted into an uptakable form.

I saw a noticeable increase in taste and smell. I typically start adding in week 4 of flower and towards the end get pretty heavy handed with it..around 15ml/ gallon.
 

legallyflying

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you mix all the nutes together in a gallon jug add water then u add to anysize res using a ppm meter so simple its funny
Dude that makes no sense at all. One: you never ever mix raw nutes together. Secondly, he is stating ml of solution without saying what the volume of his reservoir is. So if it's 10 gallons, it is way to strong, 25 gallons about right, an 50 gallons it's way to weak. If you want to post a nutrient formula for people to comment on then give it in ml per gallon or final ppm. That is what I was trying to get at.
 

los0420

Member
actually i have been mixing all my nutes in a gallon jug for years and never had a single problem. im sure you have read that it is not good to do so but i actuallly do it. you should check out stinkbuddies i have used his formula for the last 4 years ,it works great plus it doesnt matter what size res you have cause your adding nutes by ppm not ml
 
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