Borer Problem

Agent 47

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I'm getting severely attacked by Borers. Their boring into the stem of my plants and killing each branch.

I picked up 442d.gif Bonide: Eight Insect Control. It's active ingredient is permethrin. The problem is, the borers are already inside the stem, I don't see how this is going to help? I need something that absorbs into the plant cells to kill these bastards, right? Any help or experience would be awesome.


I hope this works, but does anyone have any other suggestions. I appreciate it.

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goldenone

Member
I know this might sound crazy, but what I did was take a very sharp knife and cut in to the middle and up till I found the cutworm and removed it. When you find the worm pry the stock open gently so you don't completely split it, I used a small screwdriver and dug those buggers out. I had 13 and they all had these. I then wrapped it tightly with yarn and fertilized. After a week I went back and removed the yarn and my plants healed nicely. I didn't notice any shock to the plant either. I figured they would die unless I did something. Try at your own risk, but all mine made it and I didn't get any more worms either. Good luck!
 

Agent 47

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I know this might sound crazy, but what I did was take a very sharp knife and cut in to the middle and up till I found the cutworm and removed it. When you find the worm pry the stock open gently so you don't completely split it, I used a small screwdriver and dug those buggers out. I had 13 and they all had these. I then wrapped it tightly with yarn and fertilized. After a week I went back and removed the yarn and my plants healed nicely. I didn't notice any shock to the plant either. I figured they would die unless I did something. Try at your own risk, but all mine made it and I didn't get any more worms either. Good luck!
AWESOME! I had some devious plans that were similar to that. I planned on purchasing some needles, or a meat injector and injecting Bt into the hole they bored, and a inch or so above that. I might just have to try the cutting them out.
 

goldenone

Member
Depending on how long they have been there they could be a ways up the stalk I think I had to cut up 3 or 4 inches before I found them. They will keep working their way up the stock if you don't get them out. Next time if you plant in the same spot you can put small coffee cans around the bases to keep them away. Let me know how it worked out for you. Is this your only plant or do you have more?
 

Agent 47

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Do they always climb up? That should help me out a little bit, or do they crawl down sometimes too?
 

goldenone

Member
In my experience with them they go up as its more tender for them to eat. Once you cut up a couple inches pry it open carefully and you can see from the hole where they started and went up. Mine all started a few inches from the ground and bore in and went up. They were planted in ground though, I see yours are in pots. Looking nice by the way. Once you do one, the others are a bit easier, but still a lot of work. How Long have you noticed these?
 

Agent 47

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In my experience with them they go up as its more tender for them to eat. Once you cut up a couple inches pry it open carefully and you can see from the hole where they started and went up. Mine all started a few inches from the ground and bore in and went up. They were planted in ground though, I see yours are in pots. Looking nice by the way. Once you do one, the others are a bit easier, but still a lot of work. How Long have you noticed these?

Your like a Borer prodigy. 90% of them did indeed go up. I followed your technique to the T and it played out like you said. My one assistant even said, Geez, I see why he said use a screwdriver. It was startling how far some were up from the hole, and others were right there pokin' there heads out.

My fingers are bleeding any my back hurts, but I can say that we cut out 85% of the worms. Ugly little white bodies black head bastards. Sometimes when I slid the blade up from the hole, I'd pull out and see some guts come out with it, so it was nice having those easy ones. However, sometimes I would go up from the hole until I saw the healthy white inner stem tissue, and see no worm. I'm fairly confident that cutting the stem like that isn't going to do much, that was nothing compared to some of the super cropped plants. After we got the worms out, I got a meat injector and squirted Bt in the holes. Today was watering day and after the worm hunt, we didn't have time to spray the buds with Bt.

Your right, after the first it is easier. After the first 40 it starts getting tough again :lol:


I've notice them for a couple weeks now, I didn't know what they were before so resorted to neem baths with no avail.


I noticed you just made this account to reply to my post. I can not thank you enough. Honestly I owe my whole crop to you, no joke. I was talking about you today like I knew you and you were my best friend. Again, thanks!

I'll give you some updates later to see how it's going
 

Agent 47

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Also, Some were close, but some were 2 to 3 inches up, the branches are still standing on their own, I've tied a few, but I want to get some plant tape tomorrow. You think the branches that had them go high up will develop, or survive? Their still real green and everything.
 

goldenone

Member
Also, Some were close, but some were 2 to 3 inches up, the branches are still standing on their own, I've tied a few, but I want to get some plant tape tomorrow. You think the branches that had them go high up will develop, or survive? Their still real green and everything.
All my plants had them in the main stalk 4-6 inches off the ground And some were 4-6 inches or more up inside the the stalk from hole. Those plants were huge by harvest at least 20 foot tall with buds as long as from elbow to fingertips and big as my arm is around. A storm finally did break over about 8 -10 feet out of the tops (They were just to damn heavy!)about a week before harvest. I never noticed shock or anything and that was my biggest bumper crop ever. I'd really recommend getting them taped up quickly just in case. If they start yellowing try to water them folier for a few days and they should be ok. I didn't spray anything in mine. I wonder how they climbed up your pots? I always put cans around my plants as collars to keep them off and it seems to work. I knew it would be a lot of work, but what choice do you have? Now to wait and hope that everything will be fine. If you have branches that die, I would probably remove them.

I have one right now that gophers wouldn't leave alone, so I said screw it and dug the damn thing up and put it in a 5 gallon bucket. its 3 weeks into flowering. Broke a branch off split it down the middle of the stalk in the process and the damn thing looks so much better 2 days later. I don't know how it survived with all the shock it went through...It must be all the love I give her and she gave me some in return, I smoked part of the branch today...AHHH Yes!!! Your welcome for the help, I just hope you don't come back later hating me for killing your plants. Just remember, I did say try at your own risk! :)
 

Agent 47

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that's what he said lol
lolololol very nice

In that case would you like my address? ;p Would love to see how they come along. What kind of seed did they come out of?
Maybe after harvest. And if you in the correct region. There is a giant festival people go to from a couple states away. The bubble hash will be done by then.

The pictures of the budding plants are Afghan Kush - World of Seeds. Their the most developed. There some 7' sativas in the mix too, but they haven't even started flowering.

Strains Are as follow. Super Lemon Haze, Afghan Kush, Kiwi Skunk, Satori Mandala, & Mowie Wowie
 

Agent 47

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Great. I just got back from war. It's been a three day assault, with a break day in between (Fri.). The first day as you know, was the manual removal, with Bt injections in the cleared holes. The second day was a follow up of the first. Removal of missed, and new borers along with a spray bottle misting of the leaves and stems with Bt. Friday was a cease fire. Back at it again Saturday, I started with manual removal. I noticed today though, there was a fraction of the borers left compared to the first two days. Some of them were in the same hole, they gave away their position with the formation of new "saw dust". It made for much easier removal with the stems already being sliced. There were only about 6 new borer holes in the plants out of 50, 3 were in the same plant. I removed and injected with Bt.

Today is when the game evolved. I purchased one of those 4 gallon back mounted pressurized sprayers and got to work. I did an initial spray down of the plants with Bt, then went on to spraying the surrounding plants. After about 30 minutes and the Bt was mostly dried on the leaves, I proceeded to spray the plants, and soaked the surrounding plants with Permethrin.

Except for a few instances when a branch was too far gone, the plants haven't responded negatively in regards to slicing the stem. Buds are juicy and really filling out. I'm not sure if it was because of the heat, but I when I was fingering through the buds looking for holes, my fingers got sticky QUICK. I'll be returning Monday, today was all business so I didn't get to snap pictures, but I'll get some Monday.


Thanks for taking the time.


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My Enemy

European Corn Borer Control

Description: A major pest of corn, the European corn borer (Ostrinia nubilalis) will also feed on over 300 different garden plants, including peppers, snap beans, potatoes, tomatoes, apples and gladiolus. Damage to corn is caused by the young larvae, which chew leaves and tassels. Later they tunnel all parts of the stalks and ears, resulting in reduced plant vigor, broken stalks, poor ear development, and dropped ears. Other crops are damaged primarily by the tunneling of the stalks, pods, or stems by the larvae.

Fully grown corn borer larvae (3/4 - 1 inch long) are extremely destructive, flesh-colored caterpillars with a reddish or dark brown head and several distinct spots on the top of each abdominal ring or segment. The adult borer is a night-flying, yellowish-brown colored moth (1 inch wingspan) with dark wavy bands across its wings.

Note: The European corn borer most likely arrived in the United States during the early 1900's in imported broom corn which was used to make brooms.

Life Cycle: Fully grown larvae pass the winter concealed in corn stubble or other plant parts on which they have been feeding. Pupation takes place in late spring, with the adult moths appearing in May and June. When mature, the females begin laying clumps of white eggs on the undersides of the lower leaves of host plants. (Adult females may lay up to 500 eggs over their short lifetime.) Under ideal conditions, these first generation eggs hatch within 3-7 days. Tiny caterpillars begin feeding on host plants and complete their development in 3-4 weeks. Pupation occurs deep inside the corn stalks and second generation moths emerge and begin laying eggs in early summer. Produces 1-3 generations per year depending upon the climate.

Note: Second generation borers are considered to be the most damaging to corn.

Control: Shred and plow under cornstalks in or near fields where borers overwinter. This should be done in fall or early spring, before the adults emerge. Use pheromone traps to determine main flight period for moths, then release trichogramma wasps to destroy eggs. Beneficial insects, such as ladybugs and lacewing, will consume a large number of borer eggs. Spray Dipel Dust (Bt-kurstaki) or Monterey Garden Insect Spray (spinosad) to kill young caterpillars. Repeat applications every 4-5 days until tassels turn brown. Use botanical insecticides only as a last resort.

Note: Ladybugs will consume almost 60 borer eggs a day. Stink bugs, damsel bugs, spiders and hover fly larvae feed on young caterpillars.

Tip: Control nearby weeds to minimize the number of borers in your garden. Moths are attracted to these areas where they rest and mate, resulting in proportionately more egg laying.

Source: http://www.planetnatural.com/site/xd...r-control.html


Predator Insects - Prevention

* Lacewing Eggs
* Trichogramma Wasps
* Lady Bugs

If they manage to make it in, at first signs use:

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Rotenone-Pyrethrin Spray & Bt



Here's some stuff I read a little into. It's pheromone trapping. Trap some of the moths, or at least know when it's that time of the season to get ready. What about a bug zapper, do moths fall for that?

http://www.ent.iastate.edu/pest/corn...sect/pheromone

The most effective control strategies include inserting a stiff wire into each hole and killing the larvae. Bacillus thuringiensis (BT) can be shot into holes at 10 day intervals until no more frass appears. Try napthalene moth crystals to contain a serious infestation. Pheromone traps may be an effective control if you have only a few trees, but they won't attract the egg-laying females. Trap these by wrapping heavy paper around the trunk, from 2 inches below ground to at least 6 inches above, and then coat the wrap with a sticky material such as Tangle Trap. Destroy the wrap weekly, replacing it until no more larvae are trapped.

Look for sawdust like trails around the stalks and a gradual wilting of plants. The best control strategy for corn borers is prevention. In the fall, burn or otherwise destroy all garden debris that may be harboring caterpillars. Rotate crops. Try planting resistant varieties of corn and/or interplanting with peanut or soybean. Encourage the presence of predators such as barn swallows, blackbirds, downy woodpeckers, flycatchers, grackles, phoebes, and sparrows. Moles and toads also eat corn borers, as do a number of commercially available insects including beneficial nematodes, green lacewings, lady bugs and braconid wasps. Exclude borers from ears of corn by covering them with old pantyhose. BT (Bacillus thuringiensis), particularly the granular form, is an effective control if applied immediately after the first eggs are laid and then every 7 to 10 days until the egg-laying period has run its course. Useful botanical poisons include rotenone spray or dust and ryania.

To remove corn borers by hand, slit affected plant stalks just below the telltale holes and castings and pluck out the worm with tweezers.
 

goldenone

Member
cool! Sounds like you had your hands full with a bad infestation. Glad it is all working out for you. Hopefully you have a few weeks till harvest to allow the poison to become inactive. I love it when those buds start getting good and sticky. cant wait to see more pics!
 

Agent 47

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cool! Sounds like you had your hands full with a bad infestation. Glad it is all working out for you. Hopefully you have a few weeks till harvest to allow the poison to become inactive. I love it when those buds start getting good and sticky. cant wait to see more pics!
Yeah, I can't say for sure how bad it was, as this is my first contact with these vile creatures. So far it's working out, time will tell for sure. Yeah I took that into consideration, there's a good 25-30 days left till harvest, that should be good.

Tomorrow's the photo shoot!
 

Wordz

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i had borers already this year i got bt powder and packed it into the holes now they are all dead
 

Grizzdude

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I would just squeeze arounf the open wound until I felt it squish. or I split the stem till I found them. I found they go into a cacoon stage and then fly back out of the hole.
 
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