Beginner Outdoor Cali Grow ?’s

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ZackAttackMack

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Happy Summer Cannibinites!
Second time outdoor grower here. I have a couple questions I am seeking help with. I planted my Gush Mints/Gods Breath/Garlic Banana and Slurty 3 clones on May 20th in 15 gallon mesh pots with ocean forest soil. In Cali we did not have ANY sun till last week, the plants look healthy and green but here are a few things I noticed. The fan leaves are very large compared to the rest of the plant, their stems almost look like branches, I’m assuming to nab as much light as possible. The plants went into flower a couple weeks ago and are just now reverting. They look tall but very lean, my main question is will they now start to fill out after they completely revert to veg and when the sun is more prevalent? Also how long does it take to revert? Is there anything I can do to help give the plant more meatiness and less, well, ALL fan leaves? Thanks for any and all help. Happy Season!
 

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Very many leafs like big one and Adam and Eve wouldn't have needed a fig tree.

They should keep stretching for a while, and have new growth. You should have at least a couple more months to veg.
 
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ZackAttackMack

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DancesWithWeeds said:
Very many leafs like big one and Adam and Eve wouldn't have needed a fig tree.

They should keep stretching for a while, and have new growth. You should have at least a couple more months to veg.
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Lol, very true! Maybe if they smoked it too we wouldn’t have been in all this mess, she would have been so paranoid of that snake!
Do they get stunted while they are reverting back into veg? Based on your expertise how big do you think they will get if they have two more months of veg?
Thanks
 
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ZackAttackMack said:
Lol, very true! Maybe if they smoked it too we wouldn’t have been in all this mess, she would have been so paranoid of that snake!
Do they get stunted while they are reverting back into veg? Based on your expertise how big do you think they will get if they have two more months of veg?
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I don't know. It's only happened to me once and my plants did good. It was my first "big" grow after it was made leagle. I didn't know the difference and thought everything was fine.

I've heard that when the flowers look right just harvest them and let the rest of the plant grow.
 
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The reason that the plants went into flower is because they were getting a greater number of hours indoor compared to the number of hours of natural sunlight we are getting now. The difference in the number of hours of light shocks them into preflower, they will pull back out but sometimes it takes a while and they sometimes grow pretty weird as they transition back to veg.
Been growing outdoors in Cali since the 90's, mine never preflower. I prevent this from happening by looking up the hours of sunlight(sunrise to sunset) at the time of year that I plan to put them outside and match that light cycle inside under my light so that when it's time to put the outside they've already been growing under the same or similar amount of hours. Others have achieve the same results by stepping down the hours of light inside for a period of time before they put them out to closer match the outdoor light cycle. And, some folks even place small grow lights or solar lights(it doesn't take a lot of light) on a timer next to their plants after placing them outside for the year to increase the number of hours and keep them in bloom.
It's not the lack of lumens due to the storms/clouds it's the difference of light hours in the transition from indoor to out.
 
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ZackAttackMack

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Funkentelechy said:
The reason that the plants went into flower is because they were getting a greater number of hours indoor compared to the number of hours of natural sunlight we are getting now. The difference in the number of hours of light shocks them into preflower, they will pull back out but sometimes it takes a while and they sometimes grow pretty weird as they transition back to veg.
Been growing outdoors in Cali since the 90's, mine never preflower. I prevent this from happening by looking up the hours of sunlight(sunrise to sunset) at the time of year that I plan to put them outside and match that light cycle inside under my light so that when it's time to put the outside they've already been growing under the same or similar amount of hours. Others have achieve the same results by stepping down the hours of light inside for a period of time before they put them out to closer match the outdoor light cycle. And, some folks even place small grow lights or solar lights(it doesn't take a lot of light) on a timer next to their plants after placing them outside for the year to increase the number of hours and keep them in bloom.
It's not the lack of lumens due to the storms/clouds it's the difference of light hours in the transition from indoor to out.
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Thank you. How long would you say it takes to completely transition into reveg?
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It can take a while, like a month. And, during the transition things will start looking goofy, the leaves will get all curly and the blade/finger count will go down. Instead of five, or seven fingers, the leaves will go to three or one finger, and the calyxes that grew during preflower will in reveg sometimes swell into some weird calyx leaf combo.
Some of those buds that formed during preflower will never return to normal during reveg, so it is sometimes helpful to carefully remove(don't go crazy) some of the funky curly leaf/calyx clusters to reestablish airflow and allow the plant to redirect energy into leaves that are growing normally during the reveg process.

It's not the end of the world, but it can take some time.
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The cure is to put them back into darkness until they get the message. Pretty hard to do if they are in 20-30 or 40 gallon buckets. With those the days will eventually shorten and they will finish blooming. Biggest pots I have are 3 gallon so I can stick them in the house in a dark room.

My mentor used a hand truck to get his back in the garage into darkness.
 
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ZackAttackMack

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Funkentelechy said:
It can take a while, like a month. And, during the transition things will start looking goofy, the leaves will get all curly and the blade/finger count will go down. Instead of five, or seven fingers, the leaves will go to three or one finger, and the calyxes that grew during preflower will in reveg sometimes swell into some weird calyx leaf combo.
Some of those buds that formed during preflower will never return to normal during reveg, so it is sometimes helpful to carefully remove(don't go crazy) some of the funky curly leaf/calyx clusters to reestablish airflow and allow the plant to redirect energy into leaves that are growing normally during the reveg process.

It's not the end of the world, but it can take some time.
Regards
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Thank you for this, that helps. I do have one more issue that I need help with. The plants did not get sun for May until June 20th, then it’s been all bright sun. My Gush Mintz plants, the fan leaves are wilting somewhat…the stems are all purple and it looks like they might be getting too much sun. I’ll show pics and it’s not a usual heat stress and they are watered appropriately…I just don’t know what I should do…please help…
 

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I've never grown Gush Mintz but I believe that it is a purple strain so I wouldn't worry about the purple stems, and some slight heat stress on a few leaves but it looks pretty mild. Honestly, your plants look pretty good, I wouldn't worry too much.
One thing that could help is if you could keep the roots a little cooler, when you're growing in pots in the full sun it's pretty common for the roots to get too hot. If you can prop something up against the pots to keep the sun off it can help a lot. White cardboard, the foil/bubble wrap that cold stuff comes in some sort of thermal barrier or just something that blocks the sun from hitting the pots.
You can also rig up a sun shade that blocks some of the sun for an hour or two in the middle of the day when it's hottest.

I had a plant that had some pretty bad heat damage last year, and I grow in the ground, some plants take it better than others.

Looks like a nice spot, what a view, good luck.
 
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ZackAttackMack

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Funkentelechy said:
I've never grown Gush Mintz but I believe that it is a purple strain so I wouldn't worry about the purple stems, and some slight heat stress on a few leaves but it looks pretty mild. Honestly, your plants look pretty good, I wouldn't worry too much.
One thing that could help is if you could keep the roots a little cooler, when you're growing in pots in the full sun it's pretty common for the roots to get too hot. If you can prop something up against the pots to keep the sun off it can help a lot. White cardboard, the foil/bubble wrap that cold stuff comes in some sort of thermal barrier or just something that blocks the sun from hitting the pots.
You can also rig up a sun shade that blocks some of the sun for an hour or two in the middle of the day when it's hottest.

I had a plant that had some pretty bad heat damage last year, and I grow in the ground, some plants take it better than others.

Looks like a nice spot, what a view, good luck.
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Thanks so much for taking the time. Yeah I forgot to mention I did feed them for the first time after the ocean forest might have depleted so they could be going through some mild nute burn as well. They were in felt pots and switched um to bigger green pots so hopefully that will help. I’m gonna make removable circular sun shades for the base of the plants to block the sun. I’ll update with pics. Yeah the view really is breathtaking I’ll send another pic of that, red tail hawks fly over checking on the girls making sure I’m taking care of em and you can see the ocean. I do worry about come October with the ocean fog filling in and mold happening. Anything I can do to help prevent that. I e heard other grows in this area have that issue sometimes. Appreciate it all.
 
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