Bananas to Bushes. Lots of questions about my grow.

I have a few questions. First I'll tell you a bit about my set up.

Soil
1000w HPS eye hortilux
yeildmaster 2 aircooled hood
3 x 6 room
459 cfm fan with 6" carbon filter.
Intake holes
Vegged 400w MH 21 days 24 hours on
12/12 switch 75 days ago
light temps 80
night temps 60's
foxfarm full line of nutes
molasses thorugh the grow
Small 1 gallon pots. I know way to small. Corrected on the nex gen
Plants look around 1-1.5 oz's once dry. Some bigger some smaller.
Have not flushed yet, should I?

Today I found a few bananas on one of my better looking girls. Also I found one loaded with bananas. I know these bananas can be used to make female seeds on a later flowering plant. How do I harvest these bananas for their pollen? I'm not panicing, I know I have some time.. None are open and even if there were it's doubtful they would have enough time to form seeds on my other plant. So I want to harvest this pollen the right way. The plant with just a fewbananas is a definate genetic keeper. The one with the most bananas was a nice plant but with so many bananas i'm not sure I want to keep any of it's gene's. What do you think on the big banana thrower. I will probably harvest some of the pollen and smoke the plant before I determine if it's trash genetics. I could have let these go too long which leads me to my next series of questions.


I'm not sure when I should start counting my flowering days. Is it from the day I switch 12/12 or is it the 10-14 days later when all the sexes where determined. I grew from seeds. More questions of those below. The trichs are cloudy but not amber. Some plants the hairs haven't receded, some have and some are still 80-90% white haired. Depending on when I should start counting the flowering days, maybe those plants have went too long and this caused the bananas?



Now for the seeds and the questions. A few years back I ordered wome white widow and NYC Deisel. I grew these at the same time and ended up with some seeds. I have no idea who pollenated who. So anyways these seeds are still considered a F1 hybrid I believe. When growing these f1's, to me at least, I have gotten at 5-7 different types of plants. The genetics are everywhere, but I still figure there is some good potency in there to be had. I did have a f1 crop produce seeds so I know those seeds are F2's. What I expect from those F2's. I seperated the best of the best weed and come up with around 8 seeds for the F2's crop. Will those be like there mom of which these and my other F2;s still be all over the place with genetics?
How do I start to stablize my genetics, especially with my new found bananas?
Clones....
Finally I was succesful with cloning. A little big bloom some superthrive and a 70 dollar home made aerocloner and we have 99% success rate. I have lots of questions about my clones. The current crop I have going I took some clones of my favorite plants, none of which are throwing bananas. However I took my cuttings while my plants was about 17 days into flowering and showing lots of hairs. They rooted fine no delays there due to flowering. Only thing is these plants threw limbs every once they started to grow. Too many in fact. None were vigours like a seedling. Most have only single leaves. The clones are about 45 days old now. I have trimmed the limbs down to have 6-10 colas and the plants are bent over and have been topped. The tops of the limbs are just now starting to show some normal leaves, 3's and 5's. However the plant is still covered with 65-75% single or weird looking leaves. How will these plants due in flowering with their history and mostly weird leaves. The buds sites are mostly staggered up the limbs as well and most tops on those have split on their own like being topped. I have taken some cuttings from these and they are looking a bit more normal.

In my veg area I have two 400 watt MH's. I have noticed that my 20 dollar lowes bulb is out growing my 50 dollar optlume. I have two tables one for each seperated by 30". It's a very good side by side comparison with the spacing and being the same batch of clones. I wouldn't hestitate of buying the lowes bulb at all.

Anyways I know long post. thanks for reading and thanks in advance for anyone who can help with my questions.

Sorry about the typos and illiteracy above.

it is my understanding,, if you see banana's...it's already done it's thing.

thanks for the reply. It's my understand that you can harvest these bananas and save them to pollenate another crop. This should give you 100% female seeds. I would like to know the proper procedure for getting this pollen.

Bananas are the result of hermaphroditic traits being expressed in your plant...this happens mostly with female seeds.

Using pollen from these will not make 100% fem seeds, they will make 100% hermaphrodite seeds.

The way feminized seeds are made is by forcing a stable female plant to produce male reproductive organs (bananas) using chemicals like gibberellic acid or colloidial silver, or other stressing techniques.

You have not stressed your plants and they already have a high propensity to hermie, which means any seeds produced using its genetics will also have the high propensity to hermie.

Bad idea in my book.

Jerry thanks for the reply. Please read this though. This is where my thoughts came from. I think my bananas could be natural goodness as talked about below.

Cut and Paste from google.

How to produce feminized marijuana seeds

Creating feminized marijuana seeds is an art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making cannabis seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have use gibberellic acid, light stress, ph stress, and fertilizer stress to force my plants to make marijuana seeds. All these methods are harsh on the plants, and some like the gibbrellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized cannabis seeds.
Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, other than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher PH, some like a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like a lot less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can’t treat every plant the same way.
It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown strains for a decade and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making marijuana seeds and learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.
I named this new method “Rodelization” after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female cannabis seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plant in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male “bananas”. A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make marijuana seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built in safety factor so in case of sever conditions, the plant can make sure that the species is furthered.
To me a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female pot seeds. Many growers out there have male banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop or at least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emerging devices out. I call them “Emergency Devices” because they emerge at times of stress.
In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plant 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one to two months and still remain potent.
For the second phase you need to already have a crop that’s already 2 ½ weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bag of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut down all the fans in the grow room. Then take a very fine paint brush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with ten different kinds in the same room with great success.
I use the lower flowers to make weed seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time(two crops), but is completely organic and lets you have great quality smoke at the same time you make your female cannabis seeds. If you’re one of those growers that has never grown marijuana seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.
You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross pollinating. The older females with the bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, un-pollinated females when they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later you will have ripe 100% female seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.
As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started, I know very well the value of seeds. My friend Adam from THSeeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: “Drop seeds not bombs”.
Soma

Nights temps could be stressing them?

Well, I tend to think Soma would be a rather credible source, so maybe it's not as risky as I implied, but the fact of the matter is you are dealing with plants that would have a high propensity to push out bananas. Which really isn't too different from any other feminized seeds I suppose.

It seems a little risky though if you have multiple strains flowering in the same space, in that you probably won't catch all the bananas, and some will therefore likely open and pollinate neighboring plants.

Another important consideration is the genetics you do this with. Did you plant originate as a feminized seed, and if so what impact will continuous self-pollination have on subsequent generations of the plant? Will they be more likely to hermie, or push out bananas prematurely?

If Soma says it works I guess it works, as I don't have nearly the level of experience he does. I just personally hate dealing with bananas and am reluctant to foster their growth in any capacity in my grow room.