autofower life span

i have a male autoflower and i wanted to keep it to pollenate my next grow. it has already started opening some of its pollen sacs so i guess what im asking is how long can i keep a male autoflower?

it will die just like the females do...

you need to save the pollen... preferably seal it up in a small baggie you can collect the dust into and then put into a old film black plastic container then add a small packet of silica gel (outside of small baggie, inside of little dark container...

you can find silica gel in shoeboxes or you can use dry rice as a substitute dehumidifying conditioner and immediately put in fridge...

it may not be fertile by "next grow" if not stored properly...

I am assuming you want to save the pollen so you can fertilize your next grow and have seeds so you dont have to keep buying them... If that is the case then your plan is flawed and here is why:

1. Breeders perform hybrid crosses to get you the seeds you receive. Pollinating back into the same genetics is considered ILB and you lose a lot of the hybrid vigor from the original parents. You also stand to have a greater variation which means some plants will be producers and others won't... at best you will have unreliable genetics. I would sooner take my chances with bag seed.

2. Pollen will keep 3 months give or take under ideal conditions; that means you will always have to have a male around and you certainly don't want to store him with your ladies (unless you like picking 1000's of seeds out of your bud). Which means you will need to maintain a separate room and lights just for him. If you were going to actually go through all that trouble for unreliable genetics you might as well have just bought reg or fem seeds, picked a mother plant, and then just clone the shit out of her. That way your crop will be much more predictable and you won't have to worry about males.

I personally think autos are B.S. breeders are introducing less potent, smaller yielding, genetics from the Ruderalis into well established Indica and Stativa genetics and setting those strains back 10 - 20 generations of selective breeding...why to get a plant a noob can grow and has to buy more seeds to grow again.

tpsmc said:

I am assuming you want to save the pollen so you can fertilize your next grow and have seeds so you dont have to keep buying them... If that is the case then your plan is flawed and here is why:

1. Breeders perform hybrid crosses to get you the seeds you receive. Pollinating back into the same genetics is considered ILB and you lose a lot of the hybrid vigor from the original parents. You also stand to have a greater variation which means some plants will be producers and others won't... at best you will have unreliable genetics. I would sooner take my chances with bag seed.

2. Pollen will keep 3 months give or take under ideal conditions; that means you will always have to have a male around and you certainly don't want to store him with your ladies (unless you like picking 1000's of seeds out of your bud). Which means you will need to maintain a separate room and lights just for him. If you were going to actually go through all that trouble for unreliable genetics you might as well have just bought reg or fem seeds, picked a mother plant, and then just clone the shit out of her. That way your crop will be much more predictable and you won't have to worry about males.

I personally think autos are B.S. breeders are introducing less potent, smaller yielding, genetics from the Ruderalis into well established Indica and Stativa genetics and setting those strains back 10 - 20 generations of selective breeding...why to get a plant a noob can grow and has to buy more seeds to grow again.

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I really like the fact that you said "I think". Wow I wish there were more people like you around who mentioned things were their opinion before the said something.

Anyways. Do you have any evidence to support your opinion? (Not saying your are fully wrong/not entitled to it.) While C. rud is an erratic growing species in terms of stucture, it does well suit it's natural enviroment. Also, while no cannabis samples have exhibited quantifiable patterns of cannibanoid ratio's - C. rud has frequently been found to have much larger ratios of CBD to THC, regardless of the actual percentage.

@ Fista. Take as much pollen as you can and try to keep it alive. Perhaps continuing a fair bit of nitrogen in the regimine would help... there are reports and information out there about keeping the plants alive longer, although they are sparse. (And not on "Roll it up"... and even if they were I wouldn't listen to them. Unless they sounded intelligent enough.)

Bud

Like I said it is of my opinion and with common sense I draw my conclusions about autos. C. rud has virtually no THC (in the wild) which I think we can all agree is the main psychoactive compound in marijuana. While it may be higher in ratio of CBD to THC (CBD being a secondary psychoactive compound) that dose not mean it will produce significant amounts of it.

Now I am not saying Autos don't have a place, I am sure that a few autos out on the back deck suit more peoples lifestyle than an indoor grow room, but all things being equal its introducing traits into well established lines of genetics that are not all that desirable.

TP,

If there were only more people on here (and in the world) who are able to discuss facts and opinions but also differientate from the two. I really applaud you my friend.


For sure you are correct (and we agree) about natural C. rud populations having little THC content. Off the top of my head, from one of my favorite publications - I beleive nearly all tested C. rud specimen... something like a dozen plants, came in below a certain very low THC threshold. On the other hand, if memory suits me correct, those plants (all from the same region) had varying CBD content from miniscule up to 8 or 10%. The same tests were also done with C. indica and C. sativa and as I said in my other post, no real correlation of population and cannabinoid content could be found. The info is facinating.

I think there is some information in that paper regarding how CBD functions with/against THC. If it's not in that paper I have others. (And I also know of a great magazine article which is articulated by a caregiver which relates to that topic and his wife's condition.)

I don't want to talk out of my cheeks, but for some people (just like you said coincidently) THC alone causes adverse affects that CBD counteracts. "It" is about finding that perfect balance. Jeeze I wish I knew more off the top of my head right now to share. If you'd like I can hook you up with some of the info or at least that one article.

Anyways. I'm with you, "auto flower" is a pretty sketchy name and scheme to get people to (try to) speed up an already fast biological process. I think the C. rud plant will someday have it's chance, for it's medicial value and not it's erratic growth as people are "whoreing" it for now.

Bud

High cbd content strains are very sought after by the mmj community. I would love to get my hands on one or two to compare the effects. Any articles you can share about the subject I am open to reading. I think that a lot of breeders are looking for that high CBD content and maybe C Rud can and will help change the ratio of thc to cbd.
I have read that C. Rud is a genetic mutant that came about from the days where you could grow hemp, it was the plant adapting to its non-natural environment (evolving if you will) and spreading outside of the field into road side ditches and forest edges. Since it was born from hemp it has hemps genetics with unfortunately means little to no THC. It would be interesting to see some analysis of Canabis grown for hemp to see what the CBD content is. I would bet it would be very similar to C. Rud but that is just my speculation.

tpsmc said:

I personally think autos are B.S. breeders are introducing less potent, smaller yielding, genetics from the Ruderalis into well established Indica and Stativa genetics and setting those strains back 10 - 20 generations of selective breeding...why to get a plant a noob can grow and has to buy more seeds to grow again.

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To each his own brother, but from a former photoperiod grower I really dig my autos. Some are shitty, some will be as potent as photos. If you were a breeder you'd want to have auto seeds to keep selling. Get that money, dollar dollar bill yall ... eh?

I made my own auto seeds, not too difficult. Even incorporated a lemon g photoperiod in the mix. The auto gene held. I still order fem seeds from time to time but so do most photoperiod growers.

as for the yields you mentioned, my personal best is 82g dried in about 70 days seed to harvest. Not exactly a bad harvest for one plant in about 2 months.

If you plan on growing a really good photoperiod plant and taking clones off of it. While you are vegging your mother you can use the light to grow autos. 2 months growing the auto then harvest and you should have enough to start
your next grow of photoperiods from clones

They fill in 2 months and you are producing.

Like say you have some OG #18 femized seed. Well right next to your future OG #18 mother you can grow out a batch of Autos. By the time the autos are ready to harvest you should have a fair amount of clones from the OG #18 mother to do your next run