I just received an order from Herbies, and it came through the dreaded Chicago. I went with the super stealth having the seeds removed from the stupid breeders packs, that are just souvenior garbage anyways. I've never used one of those packs for anything besides a scoop anyways. All the seeds were smartly packed, and discreetly placed in the envelope along with other stuff for diversion. The parcel itself was written on legibly so as to be able to read at a glance, and very well done all said. I was an Attitude bandwagon rider for a long time, but they just haven't updated their shipping in so long it's really quite sad. You just can't plan to ship this kind of stuff the same way for years people. Sooner or later a couple will get snagged, and if you're not updating or changing the way you're doing it, they're gonna catch on. I know the U.S. is the only country basically that has problems like these to this extent, but you have to accomodate a customer you take money from in my book, and they just don't take care of the U.S. customer as well as I'd like. I like their website, and payment system, but herbies is just as nice, and you don't need a guarantee to have your package shipped twice, and if it get's snagged the second time you either get a refund or one last reship, pretty good I.M.O. Anyways, my order only took 5-6 days I think, and I'm in the mid-west, and it came through chicago. Have a great day everyone. Peace out.